CPU Air Cooler - What To Look For?

 
 
 

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Anonymous

could you do a short video or at least send me a message regarding this question i have a computer probably 5+ year old while i realize it probably cheaper to to just buy a new one for the experience of upgrading and building my own i would like to up grade my possessor what else would have to be done along with that and what do i need to look for when choosing a motherboard thanks -Kyle

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After buying a new motherboard with a new cpu and heatsink, it became clear that my 5850 radeon card did no longer fit. The reason for the graphics card didn't fit was due to me having added a VRM heatsink (with heatpipes) onto my 5850 card. So the gpu vrm heatsink collided with the cpu heatsink.

I removed the aftermarket VRM heatsink but the VRM temps then rose to 115 degrees C and it was all horrible.

I ended up removing the heatsink part by cutting the heatpipes with pliers, reseating the base of the heatsink onto the vrm's to keep them a little cooler.

Two things happened:
1) A single drop of clear liquid seeped out off one of the heatpipe openings that had been cut and clamped shut with the pliers, so I wiped this drop before it could fall onto the motherboard.
2) The VRM temps has since been kept steady at 90 degrees or so on load, which is still much better than not having the mangled heatsink on at all.

The optimal temps for the original VRM was 70 degrees iirc.

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"You can post your questions in the forum..." blah blah blah blah blah blah... Yeah, I know. I've been a member since 2006!

Man, does this get very tiring for you, Rodney? I remember the good old days when you did not have to say that.

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I don't hear the fat lady singing Rodney. ;)

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I'm still using my V8 Cooler and in the last few years I've replaced the fan once. Normally I look for a cooler most people give a high rating. My preferences are 120mm fans because they make less noise than 80mm ones and it must have heat pipes because that's the important geeky bling factor.

Anonymous

Aftermarket cpu coolers are waste of money. And overclocking is useless. It's all about our ego. They're not 'must have' products. I have a TT contac 29 and a Noctua nh c14. They cut the noise, thats the only thing they're doing. But I think, I don't need them so much.

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Very interesting comment Mr. or Ms. Anonymous. My stock cooler was not able to keep up with my OC'ing CPU temps, reason a better CPU cooler is needed. In stock configuration, the stock fan was fine. I ask this, if OC'ing is useless, then why are computer CPU's getting faster and faster from Intel and AMD if there is no benefit? If that was the case, everyone would have the same CPU. Not flaming you at all, just a simple question. My 3770k is stock at 3.5GHz and I am pushing it to 4.7GHz, which is 1.2GHz(35%)faster. If you are only surfing and playing simple games, then yes, I agree 100%, OC is not needed. If you game and video render large files, then it helps greatly to process those items faster. That's like saying a good dedicated GPU is useless if you play games. I remember back in the 90's when computer CPU's were measured in MHz. I had a top of the line 666MHz CPU and when they moved up to 1.0GHz, that was like, it can't get any faster. My computer currently is overclocked 1.2GHz (35%)faster than stock 3.5Ghz. My current OC is twice as much as my whole computer was clocked in the 90's at 666MHz.

If extra speed (OC'ing) isn't helpful, then why is it that I can produced (render) videos (15min, 1080P) in 9 mins on my new system as compared to my old 2.0GHz laptop that took 2-3 hours to produce the same video regardless if it is using CPU or GPU power. Both CPU and GPU are rated faster than my laptop was rated. It is like cars, trains, planes. It only takes so much power to go 55mph, but 155mph gets you there so much faster, but you have to have the ability to go that fast, handle that speed and maintain that speed to begin with to benefit the time saved. Not every CPU can handle OC'ing.

This could go on and on, but you get the point. I am curious about your comment.

Anonymous

I made this comment because there are so many people consumes more than they need. I hate myself for this. I'm using computers since 486dx was released. Now I clearly learned that contentment is the key. Love your boons and live better. You don't have to reach every game and play them at maximum settings. You don't have to do every little thing in seconds. Thats hedonism. What are you doing with your 'saved time'? Life is going man. Computer is a lie like tv and other screens. Sorry for my bad english.

Anonymous

In almost every review the Phanteks does beat NH-D14. look at lavcopricetech youtube video comparison and kitguru comparison.

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I am at 4.70GHz with a i7-3770K using a Phanteks PH-TC14PE air cooler(blue). Core temps are 78-82C using core temp & real temp with OCCT @ 100% load. In the stock configuration (two 140mm fans), reviews have shown my cooler to be 1C warmer than a Corsair H100 closed loop system and 1-2C cooler than a Noctua NH-D14, not to knock the D14 which is a great cooler. Ambient room temp 26-27C. The same reviews showed an even performance with the H100 when three 140mm fans are used. Custom water cooling will be generally cooler, but cost more. I only paid $79 shipped for my Phanteks. The Phanteks PH-TC14PE uses ten 8MM heat pipes.

It has to be stated though, every CPU will be a little different. Some perform better/worse than others at the same volt, frequency, etc...

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Hey this is COMPLETELY unrelated but I was looking for some advice.

Two weeks ago I bought a CM 690 II, 3770K, Asus Maximus V Formula, Corsair Force GT 120GB SSD, WD Black 1TB, and a 750W Modular PSU. I built it and am currently using my old ram, the stock heatsink, and old graphics card. I ordered the final bits and they are on their way: Asus GTX 670, 16GB (2x8) G.SKILL Sniper 1866 Ram, H100 Cooler, 2 8-Pin power extensions, and 6 Red AeroCool Shark Fans. The second order should arrive tomorrow. I have windows installed on the SSD, and all my media/games on the HDD.

Now to some questions I have:
Should I use Precision X or Afterburner to OC the 670?
Any tips/a good method for OCing the CPU and GPU? This is my first high end build.
Should I install Borderlands 2 on the SSD, as I plan on playing it A LOT upon release?
Any other general tips for the completion of my build?

Thanx ~ Mango

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I use MSI Afterburner for my GPU overclocking. I have a Antec 620 watercooler on my GPU in a pull pull setup. Afterburner allows you to OC and adjust any item the card allows tweaking.

Do some research first to see what others are using and getting. First you need a good CPU cooler, I use a Phanteks PH-TC14PE which is air cooled, but your H100 will work as good if not slightly better. My 3770K and your 3770K are the same model, but that doesn't mean they will perform the same. I use 1.30V for 4.7GHz, but you may need 1.36V, etc... I use an Asus board also, so use the on quick onboard overclocking setup to get you started. It should give you atleast a nice 4.2GHz OC easily. Maybe more. If you want more than that, then you have to either use the BIOS or the Asus AI Suite software which is what I use. I actually use both, but I use the AI Suite more as I have become use to it and it works just as well. Don't be too worried about hurting the CPU, it has built in features to protect itself unless you just crank up the volts too high. For Ivy Bridge, I try to keep my voltage under 1.35V. Some go higher, but the 22nm design makes this a different beast than Sandy Bridge, which easily could go to 1.5V. Ivy can go that high, but it isn't recommended or atleast I don't recommend it.

I have 4 Harddrives. I use an OCZ 120GB for boot and simple things I want to save on the drive such as programs. I have a dedicated Gaming HDD (WD Green 320GB) that I keep all my games on so I don't have to have them on my SSD and it works fine. I don't notice any gaming issues. It is a Sata III 7200rpm drive. Games take up a lot of space. I have another HDD for video editing and video storage and a 4th drive as a backup to all.

Use a positive pressure airflow in the system is my general recomendation. Basically, pull more air into the system through dust filters, which will force air out of the case. Most cases come in a Negative pressure setup which blows more air out of the system which creates a sucking of air in any spot/crack/whole which can suck in more dust. A positive system sucks in air and forces the air out, which allows you to control where the air is coming in from which should have dust filters to keep the inside clean. I have 9 fans inside my case and only one is exhaust which is in the rear. All the fans are quiet, so the system is not loud as I can watch TV and surf with very little wind noise from the system. I have to wipe off a very small amount of dust every 3-4 months and it is so small that I am being picky then because I see a little dust on the large clear window. I could actually remove the rear fan and air would be forcefully felt leaving the case. I also use Demciflex dust filters on all the intake fans. My case has a 200mm top fan that blew air out, I turned it over to suck in air and had a custom Demciflex filter made for that. Positive pressure imo is very good for air flow over components and keeping the system cooler and a side effect is the reduction of dust.

Anonymous

I use the coolermaster hyper 612S
It works for me in combination with a i7 2600
It is overkill for stock speeds (= but i don't care :D

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The Phanteks PH-TC14PE is better than the D-14 and the Silver Arrow

You dont know me but that's the way i like it!

Anonymous

From what i have heard and seen it is not. It is about as good as the NH-D14 but can`t beat it and the Phanteks is a little louder.

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I own the Phanteks and yes it is true, it is louder than the D14. A whole 1dB louder. So I agree it is louder. The question is, can you hear 1dB?

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Does the planteks PH-TC14PE make a lot more noise then the D-14?

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The NH-D14 is always a good bet assuming clearance and size aren't an issue.