Windows 8 Headlines -- Ugh!

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I was in PCWorld.com and ZDNet.com looking for something interesting for me to read and most of what I saw are all the headlines about Windows 8. In my opinion, Windows 8 falls between "I hate it" and "it's okay, but I'll just use it as a toy, not doing any work." I treat Windows 8 as a toy due to lack of strong focus for desktop and lack of Aero Glass with transparent and blur effect. That's why Windows 7 made it a lot easier for me to stick with it.
Yes, I tried Windows 8, but I just don't have a love for it. Perhaps I'll give it 3 years for me to change my mind? I don't know. If I were to use Windows 8 at work that is given to me by a future employer and I treat Windows 8 as a toy and not get any work done, I'd do better off sticking with Windows 7.

I think it all boils down to this: personality. The way I personalize my desktop is to set the brightness of color to 0, which makes it fully transparent. Plus, I have no icons and widgets in my desktop giving it a clean look with a nice landscape/architecture wallpaper in slideshow that helps me feel relaxed. I could do the same with Windows 8 but I don't think this will go well with me. And none of the colors and background patterns will stick with me, either.

Well, don't get me wrong, but Windows 8 is well, (sigh) a little "okay" for tablets, but I'm not buying one. I--I just want an Aero Glass feel to it. Kubuntu (desktop/laptop) and Android (tablet/smartphone) helped me forget about Windows 7 and 8 as even though I don't have Windows 8, I've been running Kubuntu for two to three months without touching Windows in my laptop, mostly because I don't bother to use Office as I never have need of it. Sure, I could simulate having Aero Glass by installing a Window-decorated theme, but IMO, that's not truly Aero Glass. It is just a fake in KDE, because in Windows Vista's Media Player, there is glass in top and bottom of the window and laying out the controls over the glass gave Windows Media Player a very cool look. Anyway, I do take KDE for granted by assigning a desktop theme a combination of Glassified and AG-Plasma, Oxygen for window decoration, and Oxygen as a widget style, but certainly it would be nice to have Aero as a widget style like in Windows Vista or 7.

Anyway, please pardon my rant. I shrug every time I see a bunch of headlines about Windows 8. Lovers are going to love it, fanboys will be fanboys, and haters are going to hate. :) I'd always want to keep up with all the latest in technologies without dodging or getting bombarded with all the Windows 8 headlines. And no, "get with the times" is not one of them. It's not for everyone.

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I suppose I'm looking at it from the other way. The menu system, the overall display, is frustrating, but underneath it all the system is running a strong multitasking and multithreading kernel that is light-years beyond Vista/7. Given where I will be working, in AV, this is the key that will have me putting Win8 as the primary OS on my next build.

It will be a time of adaptation (or heavy-handed hacking) before I'm comfortable with it. But I'm willing to deal with it for the overall gains the AMD Zambezi and Vishera processors achieve with the new software design.

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It seems they only focused on tablets and touch screen PC's.

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When is Windows 9 coming out ;)

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Rod, do you really think Microsoft will turn back? LOL!

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I bit and picked up the $40 upgrade.

Installed it (followed the upgrade path), messed around for about 5 hour, then spent the following 7 hours formatting/repartitioning my hard drive and reinstalling Win7-64 + all my 'must have' apps & drivers. I found Win8 broke a lot of my 'must have' proggys. And that Metro replacement for the start button? You gotta be kidding me! I opened up my 'all programs and it dumps every frigging thing I have in all my nicely deep hierarchical 'Programs' folders flattened onto my 'metro' desktop! Holy crap! What a freaking MESS!!! I had a huge amount of stuff installed and all the start program folders & icons to prove it.

Sure there are utilities to nuke the Metro front end, start the 'desktop' app and put a start button ot it. but why should I go to all that trouble just to appease Microsoft? IMHO I am the customer. Microsoft needs to appease ME!

This is one OS that will be collecting dust on my shelf. I don't care how gee-whiz it is under the covers. As long as it has that huideous mess called 'Metro', I sure as hell don't want it on my computer. How do you get your money back from Microsoft on an upgrade? This sure is NOT worth the $40 US I paid for it!!

The only good thing that came of all this? My Windows 7 partition got a good cleanup of all the flotsam and jetsam it gathered over the past year (something I would recommend to anybody on a yearly basis).

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I have it installed on my gaming rig. No issues so far. I honestly don't see what all the fus is about. I hardly touch the "metro" interface. Just like I hardly touched the start menu. My must haves are pinned to the task bar or are desktop icons. Anything I need I just hit Windows key and start typing. Just like Win7. The change to win8 has been very uneventful for me. No mods and I have things already like I had it in Win7. Metro has some cool thinks. I have been keeping the people hub up in the split window thing set to "what's new" getting all my FB feeds while doing other things. Works slick on my triple screens. 1/4 of my right most screen is the split screen thing. Leaving me TONS of real estate to work on other things.

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What will get me to love Windows 8 is if I could disable the Metro interface and get back the Start menu and Aero Glass that Microsoft took out in Windows 8.

Again, it is all about personality and Microsoft cannot mess with me. It's who I am.

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Start8 for your menu. Classic shell for your Aero Glass look.

Really do not get why people are so upset over loosing the glass look. It does nothing for me either way.

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Alright, alright, alright. To each their own!

Happy?

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i will still wait some time to see how things pan out for windows 8

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Took another crack at Win8.

Out of the box it sux hardd. However there are free addons you can get to make it more like win7.

One utility that is a must-have for Windows 8 is "Classic Shell". Using this you can set up your Win8 in such a way that you never see that narsty Metro blocky thingie. With this in place you would never know you were NOT using win7 if you don't look too closely at the Win8-specific window styling (still looking for a WindowBlinds-like thing for Win8) and the context sensitive ribbons that pop up when you select various kinds of files in the Explorer. Every thing else is very Win7-like and usable (even have a start menu and can pin applications again thanks to Classic Shell).

Operationally I can do most of the things that I used to do in Win7. I did need to install some updated utilities that take advantage of Win8 underpinnings, but those were minor.

So far Win8 is sucking a little bit less.

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When we went from 3.1's basic iconographic interface to Windows 95's start menu, the world freaked.

When Windows XP brought multiple user accounts to desktop machines, lots of folks panicked on this new "complexity" in managing files, file protection between accounts, and lots more.

This is just another evolution, but this time it is BIG and likes touchscreens.

Maybe I'm just to hard to shake.

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I have been using it since Feb. I really do not get peoples issues. 99% of the time I use it just like I have been on Win7 for years. I really do not use metro much. Partly because I am on a triple screen setup and it runs kinda funky on triple screens. But, the desktop space is just like win7. I never used the start menu in win7. The few times I went in, I really did not know where anything was at. I just stumbled around, looking for things. Normally I used the search box on the start menu. Win button, start typing, hit enter. Guess what, still works in Win8. It pops to metro, then what ever I am typing starts populating the screen. Works exactly the same as Win7. Metro is only handy if you are using metro apps. If not, you never have to see it for more than a second or two.

People need to stop being so butt hurt over a very minor thing. Just use the machine like you always have.

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if you are a casual user I might agree with you Prophet. Perhaps you are too young to remember the early days of GUIs when Windows 1 was beta and task switchers were pseudo-GUIs like DesQView or TopView.

I for one do and really see no real difference between Metro and DesQView beyond them being about 25 years apart (and yes, I HAVE used both!). Frankly I do NOT like being visually yoinked away from my nice graphical, windowed desktop to look at a screen that is just one step up from the butt-ugly classic character mode 'Green screen' with some very primitive artifacts on it that you can click into. Working for a tech company that employs as many people as the population of some banana republics out there, I can tell you that THEY will not touch this mess as a corporate platform. Corporately we do NOT use tablets. Smartphones are limited to web browsing, email, voice and chat functions.

Microsoft is releasing Windows 8 and Windows RT. Keep the Metro for RT and leave it out of Windows 8! Desktop machines really have no use for it.

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I'm 30 and my first computer was a Tandy 1000. So, I have been around for some time in this. This simple fact is it's not going away and it really is not a big deal. People are way overreacting. I happens every time MS makes a change to Windows. One of the funny ones this go around is people crying about Aero going away. But one of the bitched about things about not to long ago was this annoying feature called Aero. Eventually people will get over it.

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Tandy 1000? Oh, GOD, I'M OLD!!!

Yeah, the Tandy 1000 and Commadore 64 were well into my computing days. And I only have a decade on you! I remember hand-coding on Timex-Sinclair TV-hookup machines and on my first two desktops, an Apple ][ (1977) and a Tandy TRS-80 (also 1977, but I didn't acquire it until the early 80's). I didn't get an actual IBM-compatible until I built by first rig in 1991.

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Nice! That extra decade goes a long way. lol

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I'm not interested in Windows 8. I set up the RC for daily use but just wasn't bothered learning how to use the interface knowing that it's made for touch screens and that I could just go back to using Windows 7.

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I was not keen to go Windows 8, but needed to learn it for work. Must say that after I started to use it more and more, I prefer it to the Win 7.

I guess its one of those things, some people will love it, some will hate it. I personally think it has better performance and I find it easier to get things done.

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Waiting for Windows Blue!

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I assisted in setting up a system for Photoshop work, with a large touch screen display recently. And it totally made sense.

Windows 8 really will set off users on non-touch systems, and I think the inability to switch to desktop priority out of the box is an error on Microsoft's part. Windows 8 is rock solid underneath, though, and has impressed me quite a lot, and I expect as more and more displays and notebooks are being equipped with lower priced touch elements that it will start to show its charm then.

Again, I'll say I've changed through so many Microsoft operating systems that nothing startles me anymore. I've spent 3 and a half decades learning something new. You can yell and scream, but things just aren't going to stay the same.

Windows Blue may be the answer that Windows 8 haters are waiting for. (Likely) boot to desktop options, full start menu that will address all programs regardless of OS compatibility, and overall a more unified shell that will let us go simple or dig like we could with Win 7.

Still irritated that we won't be seeing the lossless file table system until Kernel 7 in 2016, though. And I'm not expecting Microsoft to keep that promise, because that feature was supposed to be in Vista!

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windows 8 is boooo! I'll stick with win 7 for now. Hopefully they'll include retail versions with the next release..

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matacks wrote:windows 8 is boooo! I'll stick with win 7 for now. Hopefully they'll include retail versions with the next release..

Next Windows release will likely be Windows 8.1 or Windows "Blue". This will lead to the downfall of Microsoft if they start releasing OS updates using Apple's model.

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eire1274 wrote:Tandy 1000? Oh, GOD, I'M OLD!!!

Yeah, the Tandy 1000 and Commadore 64 were well into my computing days. And I only have a decade on you! I remember hand-coding on Timex-Sinclair TV-hookup machines and on my first two desktops, an Apple ][ (1977) and a Tandy TRS-80 (also 1977, but I didn't acquire it until the early 80's). I didn't get an actual IBM-compatible until I built by first rig in 1991.
eire1274 wrote:Tandy 1000? Oh, GOD, I'M OLD!!!

Yeah, the Tandy 1000 and Commadore 64 were well into my computing days. And I only have a decade on you! I remember hand-coding on Timex-Sinclair TV-hookup machines and on my first two desktops, an Apple ][ (1977) and a Tandy TRS-80 (also 1977, but I didn't acquire it until the early 80's). I didn't get an actual IBM-compatible until I built by first rig in 1991.

Meh, young pup. Time to go out and buy that "Midlife Crisis Harley" lol

I'm just short of having 2 decades on you Nick (Dunno if Ed Johnson is still around, but I think he was one of the very few around here that had a few years on me). I'm staring at the ass end of 60 :(

I had almost a couple decades messing around in the real world until Personal Computers were invented and my life got taken over by the world of bits and bytes (remember that TV show?).

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Manic Mouse wrote: I'm just short of having 2 decades on you Nick (Dunno if Ed Johnson is still around, but I think he was one of the very few around here that had a few years on me). I'm staring at the ass end of 60 :(

I haven't seen Ed in quite a while. Too bad.

Yeah, I'm in the 40's range. I was the generation that knew how to program first edition VCR clocks. But it's hard to go anywhere in the computing world and have people see me as anything other than a geezer!

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