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SubZero;701037 wrote:
Actually, ATI still didn't have it right, which is why I switched to Nvidia.

Nvidia has that "Do Not Scale" option that I can choose if I wish to. ATI's would always go full screen no matter what resolution. It was an issue covered in exasperating detail by many over at Rage 3D.

Yet the first time I got my old Geforce 3 TI 500 out of a box and slapped it in there, it worked 100% first shot. Nice.

ATI rocked when I had a CRT (very good VGA quality signal and 2D filters) but ATI defaulting to "let the monitor do the scaling" did not help me when none of my LCD's had that feature.

honestly, i'm not sure what you guys are talking about. i've not had hardly any of the issues that most people complain about in regards to ATI drivers. i've been using ATI cards since 1997. their cat drivers were eventually an improvement, but they did have a bumpy start. so i just installed the driver and not the CCC. i've always liked ATI's rendering quality over NV cards, but ever since NV finally got their act together due to ATI's awesome 9 series performance plus quality, then i reconsidered trying out yet one more NV card in hopes i wouldn't have to return it for the ATI variant.

with my last two cards 7800GS and 8800GTS i noticed the drivers default to, let monitor scale, which is good bc my monitors processor is better at scaling than either of my NV cards. the text gets blurry with the NV cards scaling and not with my monitors scaling.

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DVI out of ATI cards to DVD input on LCD

Flat Panel Scaling (do not scale) does not work with ATI.

Flat Panel Scaling (do not scale) DOES work with Nvidia.

Rage 3D has documented the problem very well over the years, and I've been using ATI cards for DECADES - literally.

The Catalyst Crew never did get the thing fixed, it seems.

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DVI out of ATI cards to DVD input on LCD

Flat Panel Scaling (do not scale) does not work with ATI.

Flat Panel Scaling (do not scale) DOES work with Nvidia.

Rage 3D has documented the problem very well over the years, and I've been using ATI cards for DECADES - literally.

The Catalyst Crew never did get the thing fixed, it seems.

whatever they are saying, i've had just as many or as little problems, however you interpret it, with both ATI and NV cards. i wish AMD didn't buy out ATI tho. i'm glad NV finally stepped up and developed a card that was as good as the ATI 9700 bc ATI cards took a hit when AMD bought them. altho AMD's ATI cards are seemingly making a come back. i'm glad about that. competition instead of domination always benefits the consumers.

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@GraysonPeddie - i have a bunch of AIW ATI cards i used to run, but all are AGP. i do have, however, an old PCI ATI TV Wonder Pro card i could try out in Win7 64. altho i don't know how i'd get any up to date drivers from ATI for it.

that's a pretty c00l magnifier app. i didn't know there were shortcut keys to do that. thanx for the heads up. =) ..i use the zoom function and i increase the minimum font size setting in my browsers. running at 1920x1200 on a 24" screen really shrinks the text size, lol. i don't like the horizontal scroll either, but that's why i LUV Opera so much. you can zoom in and set it to "fit to width" option and everything stays on screen with no side scrolling. i've got an eye disease that makes my vision's detail go away and nothing will help but surgery, so i'm always looking for apps that help me out with text.

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I had purchased a Sapphire X1950 Pro 512 meg AGP when they came out with it, so it was a very recent card at the time. I had my FX 60 AMD chip and all. But that was one of the two machines that got fried when we moved to this newly built house, before they fixed the power grounding issue, so I was in a pickle. We took that opportunity to just purge a lot of the old and go with the new. No more CRT's, no more AGP, no more Custom Build for me this time.

I already had two LCD's (Samsung 204B and Viewsonic VP2030B), and that's how I was able to test the X1950 Pro with DVI and such. So, we bought one more of the Viewsonic VP2030B's and an HP LP2065 (cause it had 2 DVI inputs and I had thought I might connect two DVI enabled systems to a single monitor but I haven't yet).

Since nothing I tried could get ANY of my ATI cards with DVI output to handling scaling properly (I had an X800 Pro and an AIW card too) with any of those new LCD's, I replaced every ATI card with an Nvidia card and I had a 100% working setup with DVI scaling / not scaling, and I have not looked back since.

My rig has the 8800GT 512 meg PCI-E, the Gateway rig (my second sort of machine -like a mini-server / super peer that shares drives and printers and scanners are all hooked up to that one) has an 8600 GTS 512 meg PCI-E and the Compaq has an 8400 GS (used for no games, just 2D text type work) and I've got an 8500 GT in reserve.

So, I went from an ALL-ATI house to an ALL-NVIDIA house in one fell swoop. And almost all because Nvidia's drivers properly work with LCD's and the scaling or do-not-scale settings over the DVI and ATI's do not.

Wacky. I had not owned an Nvidia card since that Geforce 3 TI 500 sometime back. Everything had been ATI since then. Until the move to LCD's.

ATI has historically had the best 2D analog filters in the business, and I always, always got a sharp, clear picture on my CRT's, even in 2048x1536 mode.

But life moves on, and I hear dinner callin. :)

Nite.

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Without a Vista driver nothing is going to work. The problem that some people might face is the lack of straight drivers. If they are the sort of driver that is installed with a program the chances of problems rise. In GraysonPeddie's case I wonder if the raw driver can be extracted and forced, but he would lose the software that controls the card.

Grayson, did you try installing just the driver or are you installing from a CD that contains the software as well?
http://www.avermedia-usa.com/AVerTV/Product/ProductDetail.aspx?Id=440&tab=APDriver

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SubZero;701189 wrote:
I had purchased a Sapphire X1950 Pro 512 meg AGP when they came out with it, so it was a very recent card at the time. I had my FX 60 AMD chip and all. But that was one of the two machines that got fried when we moved to this newly built house, before they fixed the power grounding issue, so I was in a pickle. We took that opportunity to just purge a lot of the old and go with the new. No more CRT's, no more AGP, no more Custom Build for me this time.

I already had two LCD's (Samsung 204B and Viewsonic VP2030B), and that's how I was able to test the X1950 Pro with DVI and such. So, we bought one more of the Viewsonic VP2030B's and an HP LP2065 (cause it had 2 DVI inputs and I had thought I might connect two DVI enabled systems to a single monitor but I haven't yet).

Since nothing I tried could get ANY of my ATI cards with DVI output to handling scaling properly (I had an X800 Pro and an AIW card too) with any of those new LCD's, I replaced every ATI card with an Nvidia card and I had a 100% working setup with DVI scaling / not scaling, and I have not looked back since.

My rig has the 8800GT 512 meg PCI-E, the Gateway rig (my second sort of machine -like a mini-server / super peer that shares drives and printers and scanners are all hooked up to that one) has an 8600 GTS 512 meg PCI-E and the Compaq has an 8400 GS (used for no games, just 2D text type work) and I've got an 8500 GT in reserve.

So, I went from an ALL-ATI house to an ALL-NVIDIA house in one fell swoop. And almost all because Nvidia's drivers properly work with LCD's and the scaling or do-not-scale settings over the DVI and ATI's do not.

Wacky. I had not owned an Nvidia card since that Geforce 3 TI 500 sometime back. Everything had been ATI since then. Until the move to LCD's.

ATI has historically had the best 2D analog filters in the business, and I always, always got a sharp, clear picture on my CRT's, even in 2048x1536 mode.

But life moves on, and I hear dinner callin. :)

Nite.

heh, thats funny we've had a couple of the same parts over the years. i upgraded from the 204B sammy to my 245BW sammy lcd. i also have and used to run an ATI X800Pro, but i modded it to an X800XT PE. i've ran AIW ATI cards since the Rage128 gpu to the AIW X800 and when ATI's multimedia software came out with PIP i bought a PCI TV Wonder Pro, lol. that was a blast back then b4 the norm for computers were to have tv video, movies, etc. i still have an AIW 9600XT in my HTPC. yes, ATI was so clear with the 2D and i always thought the 3D had a higher quality graphics output in games. i tried NV cards over the years starting with the Riva128 and so on, but i always ended up selling the NV cards and going back to ATI. until the NV 7 series came out. the FX cards were a joke, lol. remember the Leaf Blower pic that was circulating around the net? lol

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I want to play some games on Win7 but everything I have now is on steam..lol Then there is the PB not supporting Beta Os's (Comp-Outs). You know what sucks about having kids. When they act up and get grounded. Then you can't play games around them because your other half would get mad for letting them watch. So now I'm stuck here.. sigh..lol I should just post the news and call it a night. :)

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3dGameMan;701286 wrote:
Been having an issue updating Windows 7 Beta. When I'd go to update windows, windows explorer crashed. Here's the fix:

Go into the registry:
START>RUN and then type 'regedit'

Find:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\SQMClient\Windows\DisabledSessions

Then:
rename MachineThrottling to _MachineThrottling

What does the "_" do? :shifty

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3dGameMan;701286 wrote:
Been having an issue updating Windows 7 Beta. When I'd go to update windows, windows explorer crashed. Here's the fix:

Go into the registry:
START>RUN and then type 'regedit'

Find:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\SQMClient\Windows\DisabledSessions

Then:
rename MachineThrottling to _MachineThrottling

I had the same problem, but I did not have MachineThrottling in DisabledSessions.

I found a "Fix" for it from MS.

Here is the article and webpage:

http://chris123nt.com/2009/01/18/sqm-client-causing-crashing-in-windows-7/

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Race234;701295 wrote:
What I dont understand is why did they drop 6.1???? both Vista and Win 7 dont support it? what was the reason? I mean I recently upgraded to a 7.1 but for the longest time I had a 6.1 but couldnt full use it and it is soo annoying.

6.1 was hacked to death. So I imagine security was part of it.

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Race234;701299 wrote:
In what manner, I mean I never came across articles like that? oh well I guess its a mute point now that I have 7.1 which on Vista Im still having issues with, send my side audio to my front speakers, not sure if Win 7 has the same issue as thats on a laptop.

What are we talking about again? :)

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3dGameMan;701286 wrote:
Been having an issue updating Windows 7 Beta. When I'd go to update windows, windows explorer crashed. Here's the fix:

Go into the registry:
START>RUN and then type 'regedit'

Find:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\SQMClient\Windows\DisabledSessions

Then:
rename MachineThrottling to _MachineThrottling

that must be machine hardware specific as i've not had any issues with win7 update. is this install on the older lappie you have, or a newer desktop?

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Tivon;701317 wrote:
What are we talking about again? :)

LOL, i got lost in there somewhere too tivvy :spin

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TheGeekMistress;701381 wrote:
that must be machine hardware specific as i've not had any issues with win7 update. is this install on the older lappie you have, or a newer desktop?

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LOL, i got lost in there somewhere too tivvy :spin

TGM

My update has been fine.

I need to figure out how to play some of my steam games..

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3dGameMan;701390 wrote:
That was on my relatively new laptop. I have not had this happen on the other systems with Win 7 yet.

Shocked it's working on the laptop considering drivers for such are normally unsupported. :)

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i agree, if this beta can run relatively well on a lappie, i can't wait to see how it'll be in retail release. altho, MS prolly is using the majority of the code they used for vista. but none the less, this Win7 64bit has been really nice to me. =)

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I'm having some sort of audio problem in Win7 64 bit with my creative sound card. Can't put my finger on it. After a while of playing HL2 the audio goes nuts and everything sounds weird. Same problem when I use WMP on some movies.. :(

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For some reason it will not properly recognize an external drive when it is plugged into the FireWire port.

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3dGameMan;701390 wrote:
That was on my relatively new laptop. I have not had this happen on the other systems with Win 7 yet.

The update problem seems to come from updating Office 2007, which is needed if you have an older MS Office app, and download the newer compatibility pack.

The problem seems to come from the "Customer Experience Improvement Program" because if you turn it off all works again.

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hmmm, well, i tried plugging in my USB thumb drive and it recognized like on XP. it plays all my MP3's fine. i turned off WMP auto update MP3 tags bc i read about the possible file corruption with MP3 file headers when WMP tries to replace or add file info to the MP3.

played my DivX movie i have on there without incident. i don't have any codecs installed and have done nothing but ran the windows update which i also did not see any WMP or codecs to be installed. how c00l =) ..in Win XP half the time i couldn't play my DivX files with it. XP's WMP would look for codecs but it'd just sit there for ever and then come back saying it can't find any codecs to play my DivX files. which is why i always installed the K-Lite 101 Codec Pack w/Classic WMP that's been all hacked up for Power Users.

Also, i have my Optical Digital Output working. i reported earlier that i could not get it to work. i'm still using the Win7 MS drivers for my integrated HD Realtek. i found the device settings in the driver options to switch it to the Optical Out and it works. but it sure is a pain to change between analog and optical digital out. with the XP Realtek drivers it would always play both analog out and optical digital out, but i had no volume control from within XP with the Optical out, only my Home Theater which i was alright with bc i don't sit at my desk to listen to music on my Home Theater system, lol. BUT, i've found with the WIN7 Realtek audio drivers from MS i can now use my volume control from within WIN7 to control the output volume of the optical digital out as well as my Home Theaters volume control. pretty nice. i wonder what the Realtek drivers are like in WIN7 64?

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Just loaded AC3Filter 1.51a, going to try it again.

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Tivon;701430 wrote:
Just loaded AC3Filter 1.51a, going to try it again.

No problems with audio for the last many hours.. maybe that was it?

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Mirkin;701422 wrote:
The update problem seems to come from updating Office 2007, which is needed if you have an older MS Office app, and download the newer compatibility pack.

The problem seems to come from the "Customer Experience Improvement Program" because if you turn it off all works again.

I concur - just had the same issue myself.

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Maro;701538 wrote:
I concur - just had the same issue myself.

"Customer Experience Improvement Program" = Epic Fail..lol :)

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I'm still having audio problems. After a while the audio corrupts. I'm going to try some Vista drivers for my creative sound blaster card.

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Tivon;701659 wrote:
I'm still having audio problems. After a while the audio corrupts. I'm going to try some Vista drivers for my creative sound blaster card.

Install didn't work.. attempting to extract the driver from the exe with 7-zip.

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I can't seem to get these extracted drivers to work. The driver Win7 is using for my audio card is dated 12/12/2006. Can't they use a newer driver?

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Finally got some updated drivers working for my sound card. I'm going to check things out and see how they run.

Creative SB Audigy Drivers.

Quote:
http://www.xyhd.tv/2009/01/how-to/computers-pcs-and-macs/creative-labs-sound-blaster-audigy-drivers-for-windows-7-32-bit-and-64-bit/

http://files2.europe.creative.com/manualdn/Drivers/AVP/9908/0xF21D0420/SBAXVSD_PCDRV_LB_2_12_0002.exe

This Driver will work for Audigy, Audigy 2, and Audigy 4 cards, on Windows 7 32 bit, and Windows 7 64 bit.

You will have to save this file, and then “lie” to it about your OS. In Explorer Right click on the exe and choose properties, then Compatibility, then set it to Windows Vista.

You will select a language, and then be prompted to Install this software. Life is easier if you check the “always trust software from Creative Labs” check box.

The install is painfully slow.

But will eventually ask you for a path for the install.

And then prompt you to reboot.

After the Reboot you have sound. But you will want to configure you Speaker Configuration in “Sounds” in your control panel.

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GraysonPeddie;701706 wrote:
I extracted the drivers, along with the MCE plug-in for my AverMedia Hybrid TV Tuner, but the installers within the extracted exe file didn't like Windows 7 Ultimate. An installer said it will only work with Windows Vista Home Premium and Windows Vista Ultimate, even though Windows 7 uses the same Vista kernel.

Uh! AverMedia needs to stop using the "is equal to" operators for version checking, like:

if(requirement.version == 6.1...") { /* proceed here */ } else { /* stop */ }

Hmmm.. Right click on the exe in explorer and choose properties, then Compatibility, then set it to Windows Vista. :)