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How in MS lab did they start to create Windows 7 to do that lol o.o

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Odd thing. I installed an app (Britannica Encyclopedia) and the desktop shortcut was like 5 lines long in terms of text underneath it.

I highlighted it, pressed F2, renamed it to simply say "Britannica", hit the Enter key and BAM - the shortcut disappeared.

Tried Auto Arrange, a few other things, no joy.

So, I went into "All Programs", found the folder and then the icon. I selected that icon, held down the CTRL key and dragged / dropped it to the desktop to create a shortcut.

I highlighted it and pressed F2 and renamed it to Britannica.

Suddenly, I have TWO of the same short cut, with the same name on the desktop.

Have no idea how that happened.

IDK, i've never seen that kind of thing happen with the shortcuts in Win XP on any of my machines. I beta tested Whistler too.

hmmmm, could it possibly have something to do with the install? I say this bc i installed PCMark Vantage and there's only one copy to DL, but yet it installs two copies. One being the 64bit version and the other being the 32bit version; with only having installed the app once. In the Root Dir there's two folders. One for the default (64bit), the other for 32bit apps labeled with the x86 text after program files. I would suspect that you may have been dealing with something like having two versions but only showing one desktop shortcut bc we're using a 64bit OS with 32bit backwards compatibility. So i would assume that only the 64bit shortcut was placed on your desktop, by default.

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NightBual;699209 wrote:
Would Rodney take all the bugs/glitches you guys are finding and sending it to Microsoft, and say something like "From the members of 3DGameMan" ???

No, he wouldn't, or probably couldn't do that. As Beta testers we have that responsibility. We agreed to send error reports or praise about features while running the Beta. There's the feedback shortcut icon on the desktop to send MS notes about our experiences if so choose. Also there's a "Send Feedback" link in the title bar of every app.

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well, i found a pretty decent bug with S3 and the vid card drivers. I'm running the NV 8800 G90 vid card and once i installed WIN7 i went and did all the updates that were available, including the vid card drivers. So in an earlier post i had a hiccup coming out of S3 with my pinned taskbar apps icons; they disappeared till i reloaded the OS. Well, today i started up out of S3 and the display was trashed. It looked like either it's having issues with my monitors refresh rate; it's sposed to be at 60Hz but always changes to 59Hz even after manually setting the refresh rate. or maybe it's another issue on top of that. My screen had... IDK what to call it, but when i opened up a folder or app, then minimized it or closed it, the desktop behind where the app was located, had the resemblance of interference, like when you're getting bad reception on a TV channel. I could still use the computer, but i had to "look thru" the "static". There was no streaking or stretching of the GUI that can happen if you use a res. or refresh rate that your monitor doesn't support. IDK, just another bug. Sent in the report to MS.
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IDK, i've never seen that kind of thing happen with the shortcuts in Win XP on any of my machines. I beta tested Whistler too.

hmmmm, could it possibly have something to do with the install? I say this bc i installed PCMark Vantage and there's only one copy to DL, but yet it installs two copies. One being the 64bit version and the other being the 32bit version; with only having installed the app once. In the Root Dir there's two folders. One for the default (64bit), the other for 32bit apps labeled with the x86 text after program files. I would suspect that you may have been dealing with something like having two versions but only showing one desktop shortcut bc we're using a 64bit OS with 32bit backwards compatibility. So i would assume that only the 64bit shortcut was placed on your desktop, by default.

I've seen that happen alot on Vista 64-bit. Because they separate the 32bit and 64bit applications for compatibility, things like this happen. :Thumb

I guess we have to remember the complexity that goes on with a program that installs itself into a system. It's not just an application copied into a folder, what about the registry and system files? This is a problem people are going to face in Win7 beta until every application has to be updated for Win7, not really a Microsoft problem I imagine.. for now. I thought .NET offers universal access to data of different databases for Microsoft? It's a shame they can't implement a universal install application manager that works with all systems regardless OS, so long as it's updated. :shifty

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Lol awww Tivon. You're defending Win7 :D.

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Saturn2888;699240 wrote:
Lol awww Tivon. You're defending Win7 :D.

Can't blame Microsoft for everything bad that happens. ;)

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well, i found a pretty decent bug with S3 and the vid card drivers. I'm running the NV 8800 G90 vid card and once i installed WIN7 i went and did all the updates that were available, including the vid card drivers. So in an earlier post i had a hiccup coming out of S3 with my pinned taskbar apps icons; they disappeared till i reloaded the OS. Well, today i started up out of S3 and the display was trashed. It looked like either it's having issues with my monitors refresh rate; it's sposed to be at 60Hz but always changes to 59Hz even after manually setting the refresh rate. or maybe it's another issue on top of that. My screen had... IDK what to call it, but when i opened up a folder or app, then minimized it or closed it, the desktop behind where the app was located, had the resemblance of interference, like when you're getting bad reception on a TV channel. I could still use the computer, but i had to "look thru" the "static". There was no streaking or stretching of the GUI that can happen if you use a res. or refresh rate that your monitor doesn't support. IDK, just another bug. Sent in the report to MS.
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Are you overclocking that video card? :Blah Does RivaTuner work in Win7? Maybe you can play around with the settings and get it working.

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Are you overclocking that video card? :Blah Does RivaTuner work in Win7? Maybe you can play around with the settings and get it working.

No, i'm not overclocking the vid card currently. Only thing that's oc'd and has been for the last year or so is my CPU/FSB/MEM. The oc for my system in my sig, minus the vid card, is what's oc'd right now. I've not had any issues related to my overclock all this time. so thats ruled out. i'm not having the "static snow" issue when i power on, or resume from screen saver mode; only when resuming from S3 there is a bug. That will get fixed when NV makes a wide release build that supports WIN7 64 i'm sure. I haven't tried Riva app yet. EVGA makes an overclocking app for NV vid cards called Precision that i normally use after i tune my vid cards overclock for ease of use.

BTW, tiv, you replied to my post saying the same thing i had said, but in a different way, about the 32/64bit installation of apps in WIN7, lol. Once i saw SubZero's post about the issue, i figured it had to do with the backwards compatibility installation in a 64bit OS. I've not ran Vista on my own computers, just fixed a lot of people's computers that have Vista on it, lol. So, i did not know that is an issue with 64bit OS (WIN XP, Vista, 7) versions tho. thanx for that tidbit =)

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Tivon;699238 wrote:
I thought .NET offers universal access to data of different databases for Microsoft? It's a shame they can't implement a universal install application manager that works with all systems regardless OS, so long as it's updated. :shifty

.NET is universal, however, it has nothing to do with the registry. .NET. .NET is a framework, or a set of APIs, which gives access to commonly used things like GUI elements, information about the computer like Win32 APIs for window management, etc. For example, a program that I wrote in C# for Windows Vista works like a charm in Windows 7. Hell, it's even faster I think.

Most likely, a program will not even use the registry other than to say it is installed. If a program needs to modify the registry, chances are, it will be adding information that it will be using. In this case, those registry entries will be created from scratch regardless of whether Windows Vista, or Windows 7 has them. Certain applications try to access registry entries about settings, etc. In this case, a Windows XP program may not work in Windows Vista without tweaking because Vista took out a ton of the unneeded entries.

Windows 7 is basically Windows Vista on a diet with some beauty experts by her side. Making her slimmer, and adding pretty a GUI.

I would guess that most Vista programs will work in 7 except for 64-bit ones. I've noticed that a number of programs have trouble working in 64-bit Windows7 without some sort of tweaks.

Still, with the beta publicly out, developers will start cracking down on bugs and hopefully give us working software, and drivers, before Windows 7 officially ships.

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If i did try it I would say everything needs to me taken down and look it all over b/c I have a feeling Windows 7 is gonna come out next Winter, which really sucks b/c then I gotta use Vista -.-

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TheGeekMistress;699254 wrote:
No, i'm not overclocking the vid card currently. Only thing that's oc'd and has been for the last year or so is my CPU/FSB/MEM. The oc for my system in my sig, minus the vid card, is what's oc'd right now. I've not had any issues related to my overclock all this time. so thats ruled out. i'm not having the "static snow" issue when i power on, or resume from screen saver mode; only when resuming from S3 there is a bug. That will get fixed when NV makes a wide release build that supports WIN7 64 i'm sure. I haven't tried Riva app yet. EVGA makes an overclocking app for NV vid cards called Precision that i normally use after i tune my vid cards overclock for ease of use.

BTW, tiv, you replied to my post saying the same thing i had said, but in a different way, about the 32/64bit installation of apps in WIN7, lol. Once i saw SubZero's post about the issue, i figured it had to do with the backwards compatibility installation in a 64bit OS. I've not ran Vista on my own computers, just fixed a lot of people's computers that have Vista on it, lol. So, i did not know that is an issue with 64bit OS (WIN XP, Vista, 7) versions tho. thanx for that tidbit =)

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I was more or less agreeing with you and then I branched off into a more universal chat for other people. :Thumb I'm sorry about that, It's just something I do at times. I probably was just wanting to chat about something and then ran off with one of my wild tangents.

The problem with S3 is that it could really be many factors at work here. There could be a motherboard update needed. Is the system hibernating or going into Standby? I know Vista likes to use the term Sleep, but it's more like Hibernate. I know the video has somewhat to do with this feature, but there are other devices that come into play such as the expansion cards that also have power saving features.

I'm pretty sure you would have already turned on the S3 sleep state in the BIOS. So it works pretty much, but when you resume the video data is corrupted. Have you tried S4 yet?

Try using the 185.20 (Vista version). Forgot to ask.. 64bit or 32bit?
[URL="http://downloads.guru3d.com/Videocards---NVIDIA-GeForce-Vista-32|64_c32.html"]http://downloads.guru3d.com/Videocards---NVIDIA-GeForce-Vista-32|64_c32.html[/URL]

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Tivon;699279 wrote:
I was more or less agreeing with you and then I branched off into a more universal chat for other people. :Thumb I'm sorry about that, It's just something I do at times. I probably was just wanting to chat about something and then ran off with one of my wild tangents.

The problem with S3 is that it could really be many factors at work here. There could be a motherboard update needed. Is the system hibernating or going into Standby? I know Vista likes to use the term Sleep, but it's more like Hibernate. I know the video has somewhat to do with this feature, but there are other devices that come into play such as the expansion cards that also have power saving features.

I'm pretty sure you would have already turned on the S3 sleep state in the BIOS. So it works pretty much, but when you resume the video data is corrupted. Have you tried S4 yet?

Try using the 185.20 (Vista version). Forgot to ask.. 64bit or 32bit?
[URL="http://downloads.guru3d.com/Videocards---NVIDIA-GeForce-Vista-32|64_c32.html"]http://downloads.guru3d.com/Videocards---NVIDIA-GeForce-Vista-32|64_c32.html[/URL]

ya, i figured that, lol, i remember IM'n with you back in my glory days here, lol.

anyhow, i'm running the 680i chipset, there's no S4 that i see in the bios, unless i'm mistaken. but i'm not going to reboot to look right now, lol. i have it set to S3 in the bios and i have the most current bios firmware flashed to the mobo.

Bios Version : P33
BIOS Date : 9/15/2008
Bios File : NF68_P33.bin

also, i don't run any expansion cards, just the vid card, everything else is onboard. i have mainstream hardware too. so it's got to be the vid drivers acting up. i mean i am running the latest NV vid drivers. i did only the updates that MS had for my hardware when i first installed WIN7. i'm running the "Prerelease WDDM 1.1" NV vid driver. i'm using S3 like i had said and not S2/1 Hibernation mode.

i'm running the 64bit OS mostly bc i want to actually be able to make use of my 4gigs of ram, DX10, and all of the 640mb vid ram (instead of only 512mb). the 32bit isn't able to address the amount of resources i have installed as you prolly know.

So ya, i've been using 64bit Vista apps and most seem to work ok, but there are some bugs with the vid again when scrolling in any browser, cept FF 3.0.5. i've tried out the two Maxthon versions that SubZero asked me to try out, IE8 WIN7 build of course, and Opera 9.63. so it's got to be the vid drivers from nVidia. So have you tried, or someone else tried out a certain NV Vista 64bit driver version and it works better? i usually never use the WIN drivers in the updates, but this time i thought it'd be a good thing to do.

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oh hey, this feature is new to me. if i grab a window at the title bar and shake it left - right - left, the other apps that are showing minimize, lol, c00l. also if i grab the edge of the window and drag it up to the top of the screen to enlarge it's footprint it'll either expand itself all the way down to the taskbar or go right into maximize mode, lol. interesting.

is this a Vista feature also? or just in win7

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ya, i figured that, lol, i remember IM'n with you back in my glory days here, lol.

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anyhow, i'm running the 680i chipset, there's no S4 that i see in the bios, unless i'm mistaken. but i'm not going to reboot to look right now, lol. i have it set to S3 in the bios and i have the most current bios firmware flashed to the mobo.

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Bios Version : P33
BIOS Date : 9/15/2008
Bios File : NF68_P33.bin

Nvidia chipset. Try those Vista drivers, someone else told me they should work in Win7. That's if Vista 64bit windows lets you do it, I'm not sure if it can be forced.

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also, i don't run any expansion cards, just the vid card, everything else is onboard. i have mainstream hardware too. so it's got to be the vid drivers acting up. i mean i am running the latest NV vid drivers. i did only the updates that MS had for my hardware when i first installed WIN7. i'm running the "Prerelease WDDM 1.1" NV vid driver. i'm using S3 like i had said and not S2/1 Hibernation mode.

I can't live without my S3. Saves so much time booting into windows and on my computer it also shuts down faster.

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i'm running the 64bit OS mostly bc i want to actually be able to make use of my 4gigs of ram, DX10, and all of the 640mb vid ram (instead of only 512mb). the 32bit isn't able to address the amount of resources i have installed as you prolly know.

I understand. Getting the most out of our hardware is what we should all want. I just wish it didn't take 64 bit windows to get it done. Vista 64 bit is bad enough, so I can see Win 7 being in the same boat.

What video card do you have? :shifty

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So ya, i've been using 64bit Vista apps and most seem to work ok, but there are some bugs with the vid again when scrolling in any browser, cept FF 3.0.5. i've tried out the two Maxthon versions that SubZero asked me to try out, IE8 WIN7 build of course, and Opera 9.63. so it's got to be the vid drivers from nVidia. So have you tried, or someone else tried out a certain NV Vista 64bit driver version and it works better? i usually never use the WIN drivers in the updates, but this time i thought it'd be a good thing to do.

Scrolling problems? Are your 2d clock settings correct? Possible video card problem if it's unable to accelerate the 2d desktop environment.

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oh hey, this feature is new to me. if i grab a window at the title bar and shake it left - right - left, the other apps that are showing minimize, lol, c00l. also if i grab the edge of the window and drag it up to the top of the screen to enlarge it's footprint it'll either expand itself all the way down to the taskbar or go right into maximize mode, lol. interesting.

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is this a Vista feature also? or just in win7

I don't recall that in Vista.. but I don't have a habit of shaking my title bars around. :)

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@ tivon

WIN7 is going to be really GR8 if this Beta build is any indication. I'm glad to finally move on from old XP 32bit. I Beta tested Whistler like how many years ago now? lol. I'm having fun finding new features and such. I was shaking my open explorer window to see if would make the screen redraw slow. that can be an indication of unstable vid drivers.

i have a G90 core 8800GTS

the clocks on my vid card are perfectly fine. there's no issues with the video cards hardware settings. it's the vid drivers thats the problem. again, i'm using the windows update NV Beta drivers that got installed from the WIN7 update app. thats what the problem is.

so i'm wondering if anyone has tried other NV vid drivers that work better.

anyone?

i have Everest installed and i can view all my systems information.

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Now that was weird, just for laughs, I turned Cool and Quiet in the BIOS of the PC. When it completed its boot, I had my choice of the 2 normal logins, and I lgged in as I always do with the primary login. Windows 7 stated it was setting up my desktop. When it completed booting, the desktop was as it was afetr a new install, yet all the programs I had installed were in the start menu. I tried to run Outlook, and I had to configure that as well. I was getting new emails, but those for the last 2 days were gone.

I decided again to reboot, and when I logged in again, my desktop was back to the way it was before the last reboot. All programs functional. Even user specific aps were setup.

I am wondering if I am going to call this OS Lazarus because of this.

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Wow. The move to 64 bit seems to be increasing in popularity. I see more laptops and rigs on sale (like at Best Buy or Office Max ads) where they say it comes with Vista 64 bit. Like this Dell at Best Buy:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1218041998093&type=product

And here I am all stuck in the past diggin' on my 32 bit rig. Looks like I better start checkin' out the updates so I can keep up with the computer joneses... :)

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Mirkin;699345 wrote:
Now that was weird, just for laughs, I turned Cool and Quiet in the BIOS of the PC. When it completed its boot, I had my choice of the 2 normal logins, and I lgged in as I always do with the primary login. Windows 7 stated it was setting up my desktop. When it completed booting, the desktop was as it was afetr a new install, yet all the programs I had installed were in the start menu. I tried to run Outlook, and I had to configure that as well. I was getting new emails, but those for the last 2 days were gone.

I decided again to reboot, and when I logged in again, my desktop was back to the way it was before the last reboot. All programs functional. Even user specific aps were setup.

I am wondering if I am going to call this OS Lazarus because of this.

That's a new feature (Cool and Quite - like a thief in the night). It hides things as if you never installed them until you reboot again... :lmao

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I think you mean the G80.;)

I thought the new 8800GTS cards use G90 or G92? :shifty

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Update: I could not install this using a 2x DVD-ROM drive. Going to try a few things tomorrow.

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Salavat23;699353 wrote:
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I think you mean the G80.;)

yup, thanx for the reminder. i built this system almost two years ago now, lol. but ya, there is a G80 and G90 8800 series vid card. the G90 8800GTS 640mb is just about the same as the G80 core; it has 112 shader units i believe, and my G80 8800GTS only has 96 shader units.

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You guys think Windows 7 is coming next year or this year?
I just want to get the best OS for gaming =/

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NightBual;699396 wrote:
You guys think Windows 7 is coming next year or this year?
I just want to get the best OS for gaming =/

Public Beta until August 1. I'm thinking it may ship for the Xmas 2009 holday season. But that's just a guess.

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Ok then, I guess I'm gonna have to go through Windows Vista to get to Windows 7....
What a long road to walk though.....

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I'd stick with XP if you could. XP > Vista

XP still supports hardware accelerated audio and DX 9 rocks on the platform.

Win 7 may be a different story. It may be worth an upgrade.

But I know I'd not go out and buy Vista if I could get XP. Just not worth it, imo

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SubZero;699510 wrote:
I'd stick with XP if you could. XP > Vista

XP still supports hardware accelerated audio and DX 9 rocks on the platform.

Win 7 may be a different story. It may be worth an upgrade.

But I know I'd not go out and buy Vista if I could get XP. Just not worth it, imo

i agree. i'll be using XP 32bit as my main OS till WIN7 64bit comes out. i'm going to skip Vista entirely even tho my rig will fling Vista around like an old rag doll, lol.

i must say tho, if MS releases newer WIN7 builds for DL, and i feel like i can trust it with my personal data, i'll switch to WIN7 b4 it is ready for the retail channel.

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I love XP and I really don't want to go for Vista...
I just like the side bars they have, forgot what it's called and the black taskbar, man it's so dam sexy!!! =D MS sure knows what emo means :P
I think I'm starting to accept Vista little by little..
I don't want to spend 100 dollars more on XP when I can get Vista cheaper. If 7 was out then screw XP and Vista and hello Mr.7 xD
7 in Heaven!! :lmao

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If you get Vista Ultimate or Business, you can always downgrade to XP....(http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-xp/future.aspx)

or you could use the Windows 7 beta until august XD

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TheGeekMistress;699513 wrote:
i agree. i'll be using XP 32bit as my main OS till WIN7 64bit comes out. i'm going to skip Vista entirely even tho my rig will fling Vista around like an old rag doll, lol.

i must say tho, if MS releases newer WIN7 builds for DL, and i feel like i can trust it with my personal data, i'll switch to WIN7 b4 it is ready for the retail channel.

I thought I'd ask ya, how well do 32 bit games work on a 64 bit setup?

Are there any issues, or do they pretty much run just fine as 32 bit apps under the 64 bit operating system?

Thanks

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I thought I'd ask ya, how well do 32 bit games work on a 64 bit setup?

Are there any issues, or do they pretty much run just fine as 32 bit apps under the 64 bit operating system?

Thanks

i actually don't know the answer to that question, lol. i haven't ran a 64bit OS till two days ago when i installed WIN7. i've been trying out apps in WIN7, not games; yet, lol.

i'm sure you know that XP 32 won't take advantage of DX10 and address all the resources my hardware allots. everything runs great in XP 32 with my hardware tho. I'm going to install Crysis sometime soon so i can actually see the features that the new DX10 API has to offer. in XP 32 it runs gr8 with my 8800GTS running DX9.0c. i do like the 128bit HDR my DX10 card has over my old X800XT Plat. it really showed a nice difference in Far Cry when i upgraded to my old 7800GS. only bad thing about my current system is that i got a new monitor which runs native at 1900x1200 and my 8800GTS just can't handle that res. in Crysis with all the eye candy turned on. i just bought a new computer case today, the Antec Nine Hundred, so i'm pretty much tapped out right now. i'd luv to upgrade my vid card tho. oh well.... lol