wow, that's crazy! I've always known browsers like Mozilla and Chrome to be very dependable barring my own hardware issues causing me to blue screen using either sometime ago. Having a wierd bug like that is just crazy! Almost hysterical if it were not for the obvious screwing up of important documents. Glad you posted about this. I was considering moving from IE back to firefox and I've always liked to play around with the Beta builds.

I sort of agree. It feels like Firefox versions are being dumped on us with little regard to the end user. For me I just seem to fiddle with Firefox and make it work or use an older version. Chrome for me is all about performance, nothing wrong with that, but the user layout is a pain in the ass for me, it's obvious they are trying too hard to be different. What I'm looking for is a browser with the Chrome Engine and the Firefox UI.

Tiv wrote:I sort of agree. It feels like Firefox versions are being dumped on us with little regard to the end user. For me I just seem to fiddle with Firefox and make it work or use an older version. Chrome for me is all about performance, nothing wrong with that, but the user layout is a pain in the ass for me, it's obvious they are trying too hard to be different. What I'm looking for is a browser with the Chrome Engine and the Firefox UI.

I agree, Chrome is fast, but i can't get over how different the UI is. I too made my Firefox look like the older version because I do not like the "chrome" look.

I'm on beta 9 now and some of the plugins won't work, but that's to be expected.

I just swapped over to Chrome. Firefox (and Mozilla's lack of support: "If you don't want bugs, why are you running our beta? Duh!") pissed me off so bad, I uninstalled it!

Man, some times a good (software) relationship can go so bad.

Chrome does what I need, and it does it well, but like it was said above, the UI is very, very strange, and I still get stuck from time to time trying to find something that is in a completely different place than it was in FF. But, it's still better than IE and it's ridiculous load times ("Here, ready to go. WAIT!!! I forgot something! By the way, I'm asking you a question I've asked 7,184 times before, but it got deleted in the last update so you need to click it again before I'll give you the web page back.")

Remember when it was just Mosaic on everything (Mac, Windows, X-nix/Linux), and then James Page split off and started Netscape, and the eternal BROWSER WAR?

o.o I like crome, not for its speed and such but for its UI, its odd to me to hear someone say its odd or hard to deal with, I think explorer UI is more odd, firefox, I haven't used in a long time.

It seems perfectly reasonable that Mozilla wouldn't want to waste resources to help you run the beta. A beta is an unfinished product by nature how can you complain about it? Why not use the actual releases of the software, whats so wrong with that?

SURPLUS_NiNjA wrote: It seems perfectly reasonable that Mozilla wouldn't want to waste resources to help you run the beta. A beta is an unfinished product by nature how can you complain about it? Why not use the actual releases of the software, whats so wrong with that?

I think I failed to indicate that I was a volunteer CONTRIBUTING beta tester for Mozilla, as in I was actually working with the development team in bug fixes.

This is no longer the case. With recent revisions, Mozilla has allowed direct contact from all users via the program control panel, and has completely ditched the contributing beta channel. For me to have granted my time to help them create their product and then suddenly my status terminates and I am just another user... not a good way to run things.

Lets say, I've been beta testing PC software since 1990, and whenever possible I am a contributing tester, thanks to a background in programming and systems development. I have little problem when a company reorganizes how they do business, but I do expect a certain matter of politeness when things change, especially when we are working on a freeware, user-supported product. A nice, "Sorry, Mr. McDermott, but while we appreciate your input we are no longer doing person-to-person bug testing," would have been nice. I didn't get that, and if you haven't figured it out, that burns me.

I'm now on FF 10, God help me... ;) All good, except for the damn add-ons.

No worries. You can disable add-on compatibility checking in Firefox easily by editing a config file. Here's an article illustrating how: http://www.nirmaltv.com/2011/03/19/disable-add-on-compatibility-check-in-firefox-4/

This works with any version of FF, just remember to replace "4.0" as stated in the article with the version you're currently using.

Good find, I'll do a Q&A on it.

eire1274 wrote:SURPLUS_NiNjA wrote:
I think I failed to indicate that I was a volunteer CONTRIBUTING beta tester for Mozilla, as in I was actually working with the development team in bug fixes.

This is no longer the case. With recent revisions, Mozilla has allowed direct contact from all users via the program control panel, and has completely ditched the contributing beta channel. For me to have granted my time to help them create their product and then suddenly my status terminates and I am just another user... not a good way to run things.

This was kind of an important part of your complaint. I understand more of what you are saying now.

SURPLUS_NiNjA wrote: This was kind of an important part of your complaint. I understand more of what you are saying now.

I often forget that not everyone has been here on 3dGameMan for 9 years watching everything I say, so it was really my fault for not explaining. I appreciate your understanding.

Lots of companies have recently ditched the "free trained testers" idea, and a lot of my free software (yes, I'll test it for you, but I get a copy when it releases, OK?) deals have died recently as beta testing seems to be shifting market wide. But you know things are bad when even the free-ware companies "fire" you!

I have had issues with Firefox the past 6 months. I switched to Chrome (as much as it hurt) and my browsing experience has been a lot better.