what to upgrade?

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RobinHoodxBlade
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ive been wanting to make recordings up games like fallout new vegas but
even that game gets a bit low in FPS.
i get good FPS indoors but when i go outside it drops from a straight 60 to 40
which i belive should be GPU issues. i have it set to max settings at 1080p
resolution(on a TV if that makes a difference). i usually have both TV and monitor
running with the monitor displaying things like CPU temp and other things like that.

CPU: fx4100
GPU: radeon 6770 1gb
PSU: 900w(uncertain on brand)
HDD: 1.5 TB at 5200 RPMs(or 59)
Extras:
CPU cooler is stock
5 sickle flow 2100 rpm fans
thermaltake v3 black edition case
MOBO: gigabyte GA-970A-UD3

im thinking about upgrade to a GTX twin frozr III 2gb being that it goes right into my
budget at $190. is it worth it? will i get good FPS? or should i extend my budget?(and will
900 watts be good enough?)

Link: http://microcenter.com/product/403002/N660_TF_2GD5-OC_NVIDIA_GeForce_GTX_660_Twin_Frozr_III_Overclocked_2048MB_GDDR5_PCIe_30_x16_Video_Card

thats the one that is not on a deal.

Razear
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When recording gameplay, you want to find a happy medium between writing speed and storage. The 1.5TB drive is the bottleneck in your setup for FRAPS. You might want to consider a RAID0 setup or possibly SSD(s) although again storage may be a concern for SSDs because capacity is so expensive.

RobinHoodxBlade
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realy? so the graphics card should be fine? i actually got a second spare HDD that runs at 7200 would it boost frames if i set it to save there? or would i have to install the game and fraps to that hdd?

Razear
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If you designate FRAPS to write your recordings to the 7200 RPM HDD then it should help, although a RAID0 setup would be more ideal.

RobinHoodxBlade
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*noob question* what is RAID0 i googled it and it told me a bit about it. but how can/would
you set something up like this?

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RAID0 is essentially a disk configuration that uses multiple drives to increase performance. The downfall is that there is no fault tolerance.

Explanation:

Setup:

Manic Mouse
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I wouldn't worry about drops 40fps. It is when your game drops below 30fps that you might have playability issues. Mind you this is also very heavily game dependent as well. Your video card is doing just fine for that particular game. It may not do so well on more GPU-intensive games.

Writing speed in fraps is dependent on a few interrelated:

1 - # of frames/sec you are having it write.
2 - Size of those frames
3 - Storage drive write speed
4 - How big of a memory buffer you are using to stage those writes.

for 1 and 2, you CPU has to process the raw frames into your output video format. This will involve encoding and can be processor-intensive. If you are throwing a lot of large frames (i.e. 1920x1080) at high FPS rates, your processor is going to be very busy indeed between the output and the actual game.

3 is a no-brainer, a faster drive can write out data faster than a slow one. Writing speed increases as with the first listed being slowest:

5200rpm -- slowest but very close to 7200 rpm drives
7200rpm -- faster mostly in seek times. Sequential write speed is very comparable to the 56200 rpm drive.
RAID-0(HARD DRIVES)-- striped array of drives with no safety. All space = smallest drive times # of drives used.
SSD -- very fast : usually an order of magnitude faster than even a raid-0 hard drive array
RAID-0(HARD DRIVES)-- striped array of drives with no safety. All space = smallest drive times # of drives used.
Raid-0(SSD) -- It doesn't get faster than this for consumer systems when using any kind of disk drives.
RAM DISK -- Nothing, and I mean NOTHING is faster than a ram disk.

Even SSD I/O is measured in Milliseconds (thousandths of a second). RAM DISK speeds are measured in NANOSECONDS (millionths of a second)!! If you have huge amounts of system memory to use, you can allocate one of these babies as a target for videos.

Using a large memory buffer to cache your video while the CPU churns it out helps keep the system from slowing down while the video writes.

So the flow is Video card->(frames)->CPU->(memory buffer)->CPU(thread 2)->File System

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RobinHoodxBlade
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Manic Mouse wrote:I wouldn't worry about drops 40fps. It is when your game drops below 30fps that you might have playability issues. Mind you this is also very heavily game dependent as well. Your video card is doing just fine for that particular game. It may not do so well on more GPU-intensive games.

Writing speed in fraps is dependent on a few interrelated:

1 - # of frames/sec you are having it write.
2 - Size of those frames
3 - Storage drive write speed
4 - How big of a memory buffer you are using to stage those writes.

for 1 and 2, you CPU has to process the raw frames into your output video format. This will involve encoding and can be processor-intensive. If you are throwing a lot of large frames (i.e. 1920x1080) at high FPS rates, your processor is going to be very busy indeed between the output and the actual game.

3 is a no-brainer, a faster drive can write out data faster than a slow one. Writing speed increases as with the first listed being slowest:

5200rpm -- slowest but very close to 7200 rpm drives
7200rpm -- faster mostly in seek times. Sequential write speed is very comparable to the 56200 rpm drive.
RAID-0(HARD DRIVES)-- striped array of drives with no safety. All space = smallest drive times # of drives used.
SSD -- very fast : usually an order of magnitude faster than even a raid-0 hard drive array
RAID-0(HARD DRIVES)-- striped array of drives with no safety. All space = smallest drive times # of drives used.
Raid-0(SSD) -- It doesn't get faster than this for consumer systems when using any kind of disk drives.
RAM DISK -- Nothing, and I mean NOTHING is faster than a ram disk.

Even SSD I/O is measured in Milliseconds (thousandths of a second). RAM DISK speeds are measured in NANOSECONDS (millionths of a second)!! If you have huge amounts of system memory to use, you can allocate one of these babies as a target for videos.

Using a large memory buffer to cache your video while the CPU churns it out helps keep the system from slowing down while the video writes.

So the flow is Video card->(frames)->CPU->(memory buffer)->CPU(thread 2)->File System

thanks for all that technical info Manic,
so you both believe its the HDD issue?
i think ill look into upgrading it to a 7200 rpm drive
being that i cant realy afford a SSD and raid seems a bit advanced
for me to do atm(and cant take the chance with only 2 working HDDs atm).

once again thanks for all the help, i love this site/forum ^^