Thinking of making this computer

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bobthenailer
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This is the computer

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=20908847

Will all this hardware work together? Will it have clearance issues?
If you have the HAF X case I ask you this...if you try to mount the 2nd top 200MM fan will you have room with the front panel cables being so close? Or could I put a 120MM there instead and run the 200MM and the 120MM up top?
This would be my first complete build if I bought it.

If there is a cheaper way to do this with similar specs I'm open to suggestions ;)

ihatenvidia
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that pc is high end at least get a better cooler, look at thermalright and noctua products if you want air cooling but if you won't overclock that 212 is enough, (it's also actually good for oc'ing but its just that there are better). As for the front panel cables, no you wont have a problem with it, that case is huge and there are lots of ways where the cables can go through. For the memory I'm not a huge fan of corsair, in its price range there are other brands that can perform better, and sometimes if you're unlucky these bastards won't work right out of the box, you may have to do some manual tweaking in the bios (but there is intel x.m.p to make life easier), go with the g.skill ripjawsx. 10 dollars more but its better.

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I'd count Corsair up on the higher end. I tend to use OCZ memory on higher-speed systems, but it's just due to personally having a good overall result with OCZ parts and customer service. I've only had to replace one Corsair item for a client, and their service was also outstanding.

As for air cooling, you will be fine if you do not intend to heavily overclock that system. Overall, you are looking good. Note: the supplied cooling compound on the stock heatsink is almost equal to Arctic Silver 5, and I would suggest not bothering with AS5 if you are using the stock part. If you are upgrading the cooler, then you would want to make the change...

Skip that last paragraph. Missed the Cooler Master part on the first skim. AS5 is a good choice.

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bobthenailer
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I have considered the g.skill ram but with a big air cooler on the CPU I'm worried that with the big heatsink on the ram that I would have a clearance issue. Other brands of ram I would consider are Kingston,gskill and Mushkin.

For thermaltake coolers you mean Frio right?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106150

In the future I would probably water cool this with a koolance drive bay pump/reservoir and blocks and everything else...with a new bulldozer :) and then maybe crossfire as well.

again thanks for taking a look at the build and it would be my 1st complete one.

Another question...once I buy the stuff and get it plugged in and assembled whats the order of the installation of the software?

Is it bios>Windows 7>drivers>then update drivers?

bobthenailer
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o and to give you an idea of what I would be upgrading from

-Amd 2400+ single core 2 ghz
-ATi X850 256 mb
-1gb 266mhz ram
-160gb hhd + 40 40gb hhd
-DVD-rom/cd burner drive that doesn't write any more
-all inside an ancient case that has a window in a X on the side with an 80mm fan in the middle of that and the provision to mount 7 X 80mm fans total, with only 2 spots taken.
-300W or 350W power supply that is a little molten on the inside...but it has worked since 2003 or so.
My temps are hovering around 42C on the motherboard and 48C on the g card, with an ambient room temp of 26C on this hot summer day.

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G.skill heatsinks are actually lower than it looks and it won't give you problems, my friend has it along with a coolermaster v6 gt and the side part of the cooler is actually on top on one of his ram and they're not close to hitting each other. As for the memory there are lots of brands you can choose from, g.skill, corsair, mushkin, patriot, crucial and ocz are all top brands but ocz just stopped manufacturing rams and most of their 1600mhz speed are 1.65-1.8V which is a little high imo, what you are looking at (for ex. vengeance and ripjawsx) only have 1.5v, so it is good and they are the newest set of rams in the market right now. The key is choosing one that is compatible with your mobo and cpu, with performance you have to look at the speed and of course the timings, for ex. g.skill ripjaws x is 1600mhz 8-8-8-24 and that vengeance you want is 1600mhz 9-9-9-24, lower timings might be better but there wouldn't be any noticeable wtf performance unless you're benchmarking.

About the cooler, I meant thermalright not thermaltake (but that frio is actually good too) or noctua, both make the highest performing air coolers on the market right now, with noctua you got the nh-d14 and with thermalright you got, silver arrow, archon and venomous x which are all great but noctua is king of the hill right now. Also there are lots of low cost liquid cooling system that just came out recently, corsair has h60, h80 and h100, antech has kuhler 620 and 920 (I think the h100 and 920 can outperform air coolers and depending on how much you want to OC you might not need to go to a real water cooling setup), just throwing that out there to give you something to think about but if you are decided on setting up water cooling just get a cheap heatsink that performs great and that hyper 212 fits the bill.

Now lets look at your HDD choice, with that money I think you can already get a 80-120 gb ssd, it will outperform a velociraptor but the obvious disadvantage is the capacity, if you're gonna look at ssd just get another drive for storage and you can use the ssd as a boot up device (look at ocz products, they produce the baddest ssd's right now IMO, vertex 2, agility 3 and solid have very good cust. reviews and if you're willing to spend a lot of money they have pci-e based ssd's which have unbelievable monster speeds). If you're not ready to go ssd yet there are also high performing hard drives out there that doesn't cost as much as the velociraptor, look at samsung spinpoint f3.

For the PSU I think 1200w is too much unless you're gonna 3-4way crossfire that 6970, my opinion is to cut down the psu budget and add it to the storage device cost, for ssd =). If you're not planning on doing crossfire or 3way crossfire 600-650watts is enough, for crossfire I think 750 is enough.

bobthenailer
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With that setup in my wishlist
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=20908847
Neweggs power supply calculator recommends 705W so yes you are right a smaller power supply around 800W would fit the build.

But....

I was thinking of doing some crossfire later on and it recommends 1030W with all that hardware. And if I add water cooling and an ssd later on and I will probably need that 1200W or last 170W to run fans and the water cooling stuff. And if there is any power left after that some wicked overclocks.

ihatenvidia
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psu calculators will calculate max wattage you're system is gonna need on all parts having 100% load, in real life situation you won't even go above 50% but if money is not an issue and you want to be safe and sure that all future upgrades won't be a problem then go for it, I say you're all set, enjoy building that pc, and I forgot to answer your question about installation, no need to install bios but it will perform system check, after that you need to install the windows then the drivers, I also advice that you update your windows after all that and do it regularly, good luck.

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The power supply is a bit overkill, but if you want it.... I say get it. No such thing as too much power.

I would recommend scrapping the raptor and going with a SSD. You can get a 120gb for around the same price and should be more than enough for the OS and programs, and the speed of even a cheaper SSD will kill the raptor.

If you want to wait to get a SSD just get another WD Black HDD and save a few bucks. The raptors were good drives, but now they are not really worth it.

It's not what you do, it's how well you do it.

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ShortAlieN wrote: The power supply is a bit overkill, but if you want it.... I say get it. No such thing as too much power.

Wrong-o.

Common misconception. And a super common cause of early PC death. More info here: http://www.3dgameman.com/forum/hardware/psu-advice#comment-1764900

Nick McDermott

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well... eire probably knows more about power supplies than I do.

ihatenvidia
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That psu is certified to have 87% efficiency at 20% load, 90% efficiency at 50% load and 87% at a 100 (KEYWORD "CERTIFIED"), if he can reach at least 20 then he should have no problem, but its the part where I'm doubtful because with his current setup I don't think he will even reach 20 but there's no part where it says you're pc will die if you don't reach those percentage, these aren't old a$$ psu's we're talking about.

bobthenailer
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heh guys I am planning to crossfire and water cool the cpu and both g cards at a later date on this if/when I buy it that is why I choose that power supply so I wouldn't have to wait another week and another $250-300 later for another power supply because I bought one that was too small.

Another question...What kinda temps would you expect with that case with 2 X HD6970s with just air cooling?

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I have a similar case (antec df-85) with 2 overclocked gtx 580s in sli and the max I have seen those get is 65 Celsius and that's after playing bfbc2 for like 3 hours. I've also got some of those coolermaster sickle-flow fans on my cpu heatsink and blowing air into my gpus from the side and they move a ton of air.

ihatenvidia
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bobthenailer wrote:heh guys I am planning to crossfire and water cool the cpu and both g cards at a later date on this if/when I buy it that is why I choose that power supply so I wouldn't have to wait another week and another $250-300 later for another power supply because I bought one that was too small.

Another question...What kinda temps would you expect with that case with 2 X HD6970s with just air cooling?

What temps are you asking for specifically? the cpu? graphic card? mobo?

haf-x is a good case and depending on your ambient temp you should have no problem as long as you install your cooler properly. I'll just give you a warning though with the 212 cooler, not all buyers get lucky, its an hdt cooler and sometimes the base is uneven and not all of it will touch the cpu, it happened to some people I know so they lapped it with sandpaper to even the base and get better performance, if you wanna avoid this hassle get a flat mirror surfaced cooler, but if you wanna take the chance go ahead its up to you, this cooler also comes with a free bracket so you can add another 120mm fan for push pull config.

On to the video card, if you buy reference cooler expect it to idle at 40-50c, 60-80+ at load and full load. Now if you buy a 6970 with an improved cooler, lets say twin frozr from msi or iceq from HIS, then you may get better temps than the one I mentioned.

with the mobo you shouldn't have any problem unless you're gonna mess with some of the voltages and set it too high.

bobthenailer
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Well in my last post I was wanting gpu temps..my bad ..and thanks for the the temps.

What would the cpu temps be with various coolers? cpu is a 1100T 6-core AMD at stock speeds and then with a mild overclock...lets say 3.8ghz.

What temps would you expect from the CM 212 with the single fan? and the second push-pull fan?

What temps woud you expect from COOLER MASTER V6 GT?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103089

What temps from the Thermaltake Frio?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106150

And the temps with the Noctua NH-D14?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608018

OO and the COOLER MASTER V8
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103055&Tpk=RR-UV8-XBU1-GP

Which of these coolers would get the cpu the coolest? Which ones will block ram slots on the Sabertooth 990 fx...http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131736

ihatenvidia
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Can't really give you an exact number because there can be a lot of factors behind it like ambient temp, RPM of your fans, the thermal paste you use and how you setup the cooler but with the selection you pointed out noctua outperforms the rest of them (If you're only looking to OC maybe 3.8ghz to 4.5 then you may not need to change to a water cooling setup anymore). I suggest you read reviews from the internet using google so you can get a better understanding behind the pros and cons of these products.

I wouldn't bother with the v8 because its old and huge and would you believe me if I told you the 212 can match its performance and even beat it in some cases? the second best choice would be the v6gt (it already comes with two fans and has a color changing led on the middle), con is its also huge but nothing your setup can't handle and the same goes for noctua. You may not be able to buy a memory cooler (a standard atx 1156 couldn't) if you choose noctua and v6gt but the fan is close enough to the memory that it can suck its heat and dissipate it along with the cpu's.

also watch this video as it might help you with a lot of your questions including temp.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a7AxZJ7tWc