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It is very exciting for me to see every builder's photos. Remember to take photos before, during and after the build. ^_^

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Oh and by the way, Asus is a china company too.

 TH Tung, Ted Hsu, Wayne Hsieh, and MT Liao founded Asus on 2 April 1990[1] in Taipei, Taiwan — all four founders worked as computer engineers for Acer. The company explains the name Asus as originating from Pegasus, the winged horse of Greek mythology. The new organization used only the last four letters of the word in order to give the resulting name a high position in alphabetical listings

 

 MSI, is one of Taiwan’s biggest mainboard and graphics card manufacturers established in 1986 by 5 founders – Joseph Hsu, Jeans Huang, Frank Lin, Kenny Yu and Henry Lu. MSI concentrated on developing and manufacturing computer mainboards and graphics cards in the beginning. MSI is one of the 3 largest mainboard and graphics card manufacturers in the world with over 150 million mainboards and 100 million graphics cards. Its 2009 fiscal year earnings exceeded US$334 million with capital standing at US$2.56 billion revenue.

 

Just some added info, that's all.

What I meant by my comment was that MSI embodies the stereotypical Chinese company. They cut corners to make profit and short out on quality. ASUS may be Chinese as well but they don't act like it. Their customer service is simply superb, their products are held to the highest standard, and overclocking is a breeze with their MB. In short, they try to emulate a high-quality western business while remaining in China to keep costs low. MSI just cares about cost and features while shorting quality and customer service.

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undeadkingpr wrote:

KoutaFG wrote:

Oh and by the way, Asus is a china company too.

 TH Tung, Ted Hsu, Wayne Hsieh, and MT Liao founded Asus on 2 April 1990[1] in Taipei, Taiwan — all four founders worked as computer engineers for Acer. The company explains the name Asus as originating from Pegasus, the winged horse of Greek mythology. The new organization used only the last four letters of the word in order to give the resulting name a high position in alphabetical listings

 

 MSI, is one of Taiwan’s biggest mainboard and graphics card manufacturers established in 1986 by 5 founders – Joseph Hsu, Jeans Huang, Frank Lin, Kenny Yu and Henry Lu. MSI concentrated on developing and manufacturing computer mainboards and graphics cards in the beginning. MSI is one of the 3 largest mainboard and graphics card manufacturers in the world with over 150 million mainboards and 100 million graphics cards. Its 2009 fiscal year earnings exceeded US$334 million with capital standing at US$2.56 billion revenue.

 

Just some added info, that's all.

What I meant by my comment was that MSI embodies the stereotypical Chinese company. They cut corners to make profit and short out on quality. ASUS may be Chinese as well but they don't act like it. Their customer service is simply superb, their products are held to the highest standard, and overclocking is a breeze with their MB. In short, they try to emulate a high-quality western business while remaining in China to keep costs low. MSI just cares about cost and features while shorting quality and customer service.

 

I know what you where saying, I just thought it'd be a neat tid-bit of info, nothing more, was not saying Asus is the same as MSI, hell I even know that it would seem most pro builders go with Asus but the board I went with looks like they at least built this one well and didn't go cheap with anything and in fact added more then what was needed, the added heatsink and OC switches along with built in power buttons cmos reset and normal restart button.

 

I guess I decided on the MSI board because one, I have had a MSI in the past and didn't have one prob and two, because the two boards looked almost dead on even, each had something that was better then they other but I have used MSI and I have never used Asus, though I know at least 4 people that uses Asus and only one has had a problem with their Asus board.

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my dad has a msi bored and its more stable than my gigabyte bored...

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Yep MSI is fine 9/10 times with great features. Only problem-I build many computers. In fairness after ~5 emails you can usually get an rma to come IN A MONTH.

really is luck

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Its 5:45 in the afternoon and I'm still waiting for my parts, I learn that newegg did ship the thermal compound separately that I got and it won't be getting to my front door today and today is friday so yeah and I don't think it will get here tomorrow so.... It looks like I'll be waiting a few more days to set things up, though I should be able to get some photos up of the mobo and cpu up today, hopefully that is, normally I get my packages around 2 in the after noon so who knows, lol I started checking my front door at 12, and kept checking every 30 minutes.... I hear a truck...  *Posts and runs to the front door*

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I heard right, it was the shipping truck and now I have my parts and also the cpu did have reapplied thermal compound so that's what I am going to use, why? because I don't have the stuff to clean it nor will the stuff I got will get here today so.... Anyways I did take some photos so.... BUT, the battery was about to go out and I only got a couple of photos in, some unboxing photos but that's it, the rest will have to be in I have it installed an hopefully running, its time to take a part this computer and get the tower ready for its new gutz.

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Only the next few days will tell if every thing is okay but I am posting using the new motherboard and cpu, only one problem came up and that was it didn't detect all four of my 1 gig ram sticks but I was expecting that because in a couple of reviews, some had the same problem and one reviewer said all that was needed is up the voltage up, I'll make a new thread later to ask where in the bios and what in the bios I need to raise and by how much.

 

Really it seemed that I didn't even need to format my harddrive, because it booted up just fine, though the network and video card was not detected, I"m sure I could have just put in the drivers disk that the mobo came with and every thing would have worked just as good as it does now but actually there would be extra files installed that could not be used and could later give me trouble so... I formatted and now I am installing updates, first chunk is 106 updates, I'm sure there will be more close to that number and so on and so forth.... So sorry guys I'm not going to be uploading photos today but in a couple I will for sure, sadly I couldn't take any more then just the unboxing photos because the power in the camera whent out but as soon as things are updated and I have things running currectly I'll take some more photos and post them with the rest when I can.

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Anyone know the average temperature for a Phenom II x4 945 3.0 CPU is?

Like each core temp and as a whole tmp with the stock heat-sink , idle and under load.

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lol what r u getting?

CPU should be between 22-50C IDLE

Cores can be 30-70C

Under load cpu can get up to 70C and cores 90+

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I am getting around mid to high 40s idle and around 60 onload

Anyways, here is the photos I could get, I still got to take some installed photos, though my case is not much to look at, in fact I hate it lol, because the way the made the fans, fans just for the case and darn near impossible or just freaken annoying...

 

Anyways.....

 

 This first one is a look at the box it self, that the mobo & cpu came in... Poorly taken care of, one corner was completely blown out but thankfully the packaging inside stayed in and kept the mobo & CPU safe.

 

This next one was of the mobo's box, it was actually slightly open... It didn't looke like there was ever any safty tape on it so I guess it popped open one of the time the shipping man dropped it or something, thank god for packing peanuts....

 

 Here is the mobo box sitting outside the shipping box...

 

The CPU on the shipping peanuts...

 

What's in the mobo's box when you first open it...

 

And here is where the camera died, well, it died before I could take this one, I got it to turn on one more time to get this photo.

 

Every thing is in my case now and running just fine, no problem what so ever, every thing is running smoothly. Oh wait, the plugs to connect the power switch, HDD LED and so on, those plugs... Well there are a lot of other pins near them look A LOT a like on the mobo, for some reason in the manual it shows two that you can use, two sets of pins... The funny thing is, in the manual, it says one is more or less for Intel chipset.... WTH is that even on the AMD board? pointless.... Anyways.... I'm pretty happy with the upgrade, I am getting 10 to 18 more fps on the main program I use (Second Life) and I am still in the middle of reinstalling all my games.

 

Oh, some minor cons, the onboard sound is quiet but in the drivers that the mobo came with, I was able to boost the DB's. Oh and one USB in the back was really stiff, along with the network plug, tooke a little more pressure then I expected but once they where in, every thing worked fine. 

 

You guys really want to see photos of the new mobo and CPU installed in my horrible case?

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aww don't be so pessimistic. Just one or two photos would do. Cable routing done?

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undeadkingpr wrote:

aww don't be so pessimistic. Just one or two photos would do. Cable routing done?

 

That's one big thing I hate about my case, practically no room behind the holes for cable routing, thereis hardly any room between the side panel and plate the mobo is screwed onto, so I have a pile of cords at the bottom.

 

Give me a bit and I'll have some new photos, just need to get new batteries for my camera.

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KoutaFG wrote:

That's one big thing I hate about my case, practically no room behind the holes for cable routing, thereis hardly any room between the side panel and plate the mobo is screwed onto, so I have a pile of cords at the bottom.

same problem with my case but i managed. i just had to lay my computer on the table sideways in a way so the CPU cooler doesnt touch (that side panel off) and i jumped ontop of it and slid the panel into the locks and screwed it down

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"i jumped ontop of it and slid the panel into the locks and screwed it down"

I don't know how to respond to this...."WAY 2 GO ALL THE WAY MAN!!"

Or perhaps, "YOU F$%^ING IDIOT WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?"

Probably somewhere in-between

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WITHOUT putting your mind in the dirty depths of the perverbial gutter

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Wow your the gutter mind-I was talking about jumping on top of  a relatively delicate custom computer.

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oh. no worries its a steel case, and everything is mounted firm and the mobo tray doesnt flex so its fine.

i looked at it before i smashed the panel on to make sure i wasnt going to break anything