How much better is the p35 over g31 chipset ?

12 replies [Last post]
Razz0r
Razz0r's picture
Offline
Joined: 06/17/2012
Posts: 28

Hi , i have the opportunity to change my Gigabyte g31m-es2l over a Asus p5k and i need to know if is worth it ?
My rig: q6600 (cooler master hyper 212) , 4gb ram 1066mhz (2x2) , 1 hd 6770 , 750W psu inter tech.

Mordeux
Mordeux's picture
Offline
Joined: 04/19/2004
Posts: 93

Why are you still using an LGA 775? They are both roughly 5 to 6 years old. Time for an upgrade.

X-Mas 2012 (most of it):
Coolermaster CM Storm || SeaSonic SS-660XP || ASUS P8Z77-V PREMIUM || Intel Core i7-3770K || 16 Gigabytes Corsair-Veng. || eVGA GTX 560ti || Audigy 2 ZS Platinum || 240GB Intel 520/ 2TB Samsung HDD || Liteon Blu-ray || Logitech G700 || Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 || 20.1" NEC WMGX^2 || Onkyo TX-SR702 Receiver (with Bowers & Wilkins Speakers) || Sennheiser HD600 Headphones

Razz0r
Razz0r's picture
Offline
Joined: 06/17/2012
Posts: 28

I don't need to upgrade, yet.

Mordeux
Mordeux's picture
Offline
Joined: 04/19/2004
Posts: 93

P35 supports DDR3 1066.
The G31 was made for integrated graphics, so it looks as if it was designed for use in Laptops.

There probably wouldn't be any noticeable difference in performance unless the G31 board has been stressed for several years.

If you are going for practical choices, I'd suggest not bothering with the new board unless it is free.

I am waiting on the LGA 2011 system prices to drop. Based on Intels release schedule, LGA 2011 systems will be ~$800 by Q1 of 2014. Unfortunately, I will not be getting a DDR4 board at first since they will initially cost upwards of $400 to $900(US).

spawnkiller
spawnkiller's picture
Offline
Joined: 05/06/2012
Posts: 310

G31, you can't overclock, less feature (2 ram slot, 4 sata,etc...) and less quality, P5K will be a lot better but you'll need to change for ddr-3 but it almost double the ram bandwith over the ddr-2 at the same speed and ddr3 is pretty cheap nowaday...

My advice would be to change but if you need to pay over 100$, keep your cash for a next rig, an I3 is faster than my old Q6600 overclocked at 4.05ghz with a 450fsb so for 100$ simply change it and get an I3 with a entry level mobo (maybe 60-70$ + a 100$ I3 and be a lot faster in almost all scenario as the only thing that the quad is better is video/audio compression)

Gaming PC: MSI Z77A-G45 ::: Intel Core I7 3770k @ 4.83Ghz ::: EVGA GTX680SC Signature ~1300mhz Boost/7122mhz ram ::: 16GB 4*4gb G.Skill 2240mhz CL10 ::: ASUS Xonar DX ::: Crucial M4 128gb (windows) + Intel 330 180gb (Steam games) + 1TB Caviar Black (storage) ::: Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold M1000 ::: Antec P280 ::: Noctua NHU12P SE2 ::: ASUS VE247H ::: Logitech G510 ::: Cooler Master Storm Sentinel II ::: Logitech X530 ::: Steelseries Siberia V-2 Black & gold edition

98% Of people under 25 surround their minds with rap music, if you're part of the 2% that stayed with rock, put this in your signature, ROCK IS BETTER!

Mordeux
Mordeux's picture
Offline
Joined: 04/19/2004
Posts: 93

Saying the P35 will be a lot better is a slight exaggeration. It would depend on the amount of memory he is currently using. If there is an adequate amount, already, there won't likely be any noticeable changes in performance.

As I don't think overclocking is in the cards, it will simply be a swap from stressed to unstressed. Overclocking could produce a noticeable increase in performance.

After a complete wipe and reinstall of your O/S(s), it will probably feel like it is working faster and indeed it may actually run better in some respects.

spawnkiller
spawnkiller's picture
Offline
Joined: 05/06/2012
Posts: 310

it's better in quality, maybe not that much in performance if not overclocked but in reliability and stability it's a lot better (my g31 ASUS P5QPL-CM with 1066 ram Q6600 @ 3ghz no overvoltage burned out in 2 months when my rampage last 2-3 years at 4.05ghz ram @ 1200 mhz before having trouble and it finally burned out and my G41 P5KPL-AM burn too in that time with a E5200 NOT overclocked...)

PS: i'll never buy an ASUS board again as too much board failed on me and my Gigabyte P45T-ES3G that replace my Rampage formula still running strong and now i tried MSI for my new build, i'll see if it's a good brand ;)

***I'm a hardcore overclocker so maybe that's why i had so much problem with motherboards ^^ and i'm just saying that cheap motherboard aren't made for 10 years continuous usage where the high-end chipsets are more better in long lasting usage...

Mordeux
Mordeux's picture
Offline
Joined: 04/19/2004
Posts: 93

I can probably help you out with the ASUS problem.

Asus intentionally uses the Voltage Regulators on their motherboards because the regulators allow a bigger range for overclocking. Their passive heatsinks are not adequate once you pass a particular voltage threshold.

Z77 boards introduce a new feature on the ASUS boards. If the VRs go beyond their stable range the system should automatically dial back the voltage. It is probably done by monitoring the consistency in voltage.

I will parrot something I said in another post: Overclocking is for those looking to up their Bench scores. The need for overclocking is vanishing, quickly. I'm using a GTX 560 ti on my main rig(my top post sig for details) and Metro runs in 1920 x 1200 with all the lovely eyecandy.

Razz0r
Razz0r's picture
Offline
Joined: 06/17/2012
Posts: 28

Thanks for all the advice , and i have 4 gigs of spare memory , so if i get that mobo i will have 8 gb ram , and about a upgrade i'm saving my money for a hd 7950 or 7970 , and after that i can i will upgrade my cpu/mobo/ram , im thinking about an i5 2500k , 16gb ram and some watercooling.

Mordeux
Mordeux's picture
Offline
Joined: 04/19/2004
Posts: 93

You are aware of the PCI E 1.0 bottleneck you will deal with by using a 7900 series card?

spawnkiller
spawnkiller's picture
Offline
Joined: 05/06/2012
Posts: 310

yeah more ram is always better !! The PCI-e 1.0 will be a limiting factor for a high-end card like the 7950-7970 but will run... Not as fast as it supposed to but it'll run and waiting for an newer rig to show it's real potential !!!

@ Mordeux: Yeah, no need for overclock on a recent rig but it's by "reflex", i love doing that even if i don't need it, it's more as a hobby and flashy thing in lan party than a useful thing... I also have a ASUS 560ti TOP on my HTPC and i sometime game on my TV, still a pretty fast card !! (i'm pretty sure you need a 650tiOC/660 non-ti or a 7770/7850 to be equal so not bad at all for a 2 years old card !!)

Razz0r
Razz0r's picture
Offline
Joined: 06/17/2012
Posts: 28

Ye i know the pci e 1.0 will bottleneck my card but what can i do ? i can't afford to upgrade at once so i will use the hd 7950 with my old q6600 for some time .

TheRealMan
TheRealMan's picture
Offline
Joined: 05/25/2007
Posts: 46

i found a X38 that supports pci-e 2.0 on the cheap off of ebay over my older P35-DS3L, Not saying its the best solution in your case because this person believed that the board was dead and i could tell he had no idea what he was talking about at the time. hehehe.. :P

--TRM

GIGABYTE-X38-DS4 water cooled chipset - GTX 460 - Seagate 32MB(c) 500GB + Intel 120Gb SSD -- C2Q Q6600 3.4Ghz-8GB(4X2GB)- Thermaltake Toughpower 700W - Win 7 64-Bit Ultimate - CM-690
--Laptop T5850 C2D-750GB Seagate Momentous XT - 6GB 1X4/1X2 DDR2
--Server C2Q 6600@2.4- 4GB 2x2 - ATi 4850 Upgraded cooler - Seasonic 500 Modular - 2X 1.5TB WD/green 1X 320WD 1X2TB WD/black