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ChiimonzChewy
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im having trouble finding a good ram, im looking @ corsair dominator GT, idk though if it will run @ 2000mhz without tweaking, cause i have right now are corsair xms3 1600mhz that runs @ 1333, idk maybe its just my mobo, a cheapo 1156 mobo, but on my next build ill have rampage iii gene, so i wonder if that will run dominator @ 2000mhz without tweaking (cause this is my 1st time overclocking and at least if its advertised as 2000mhz i want to see it run that!)

and a side question

would dual monitor slow down my games?

right now, i have a hp 23" 1080p monitor as main and a sony bravia 32" 720p as my 2nd (i only put internet stuff in there so while gaming i see who chats and what) so technically i have 2nd monitor as standby desktop and i havent really tested it yet cause im very busy @ work, i tried to game with it dint notice much, i have a hd 5850 running 2 monitors, and in the future i plan to buy another monitor for a 3rd monitor probably a portrait monitor (who knows of some portrait monitor out there? or a stand that can make my hp 2310m monitor pivot so that i'll buy a 3rd monitor any 3rd monitor and make my hp the 3rd monitor and the new one the main one) will that lower my gaming frames? and @ this point 3rd monitor i would probably have hd 5850 on CF so i appreciate your help :D thanks!

Razear
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1. You might need to tweak the timings to get it to run correctly in the BIOS. Some kits that run 2000MHz+ you will need to OC to get it to run at that frequency.

2. As long as the video card isn't being taxed by the second display it's fine.

ChiimonzChewy
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so then if it's advertised as 2000mhz means it can run @ that? like for sure? you just have to tweak it? and for the dual monitor so desktop will it tax it? say desktop or mozilla with team speak like those programs only?

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1. That's correct.

2. If the application isn't graphic intensive like a game thats taking up your video card's resources.

ChiimonzChewy
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at least advertised 2000mhz for sure, so then 1600mhz advertised will not run more than that? if it can then i will be wasting money on a 2000mhz if i can OC the others to that too? or paying more is just assurance you will run it @ that speed?

and i dont think mozilla with say facebook or forum is gonna tax the gpu big time? and teamspeak its like ventrillo

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RAM sticks are rated for a specific speed at a given voltage and timings. Those settings are then advertised, but in reality they are all the same chips. The difference is that some have proven to be able to run faster.

When you put in it your system they will default to one of the profiles it carries, and sometimes this is lower than what you bought it for. (You can view these profiles in CPU-Z under the SPD tab.) I thought this was because some speeds are not officially supported. When this happens you have to manually set the RAM at the correct speed and voltage in the BIOS.

For example, back in the DDR2 days the fastest was 1066MHz, but those were actually just 800MHz chips that were able to reach 1066MHz without becoming unstable. I have Kingston hyperX 1066MHz with 5-5-5-15 timings, and when I first put it in it ran at 800MHz (because that's what it's profile says) and I had to manually set the speed and voltage to actually get the 1066Mhz out of it. And then the timings increased so I had to set those at 5-5-5-15 as well.

With good RAM you can usually tweak it to run even faster, but you'll have to be very lucky to get a 1600MHz set that can run stable at 2000MHz. (also, read some about RAM overclocking before you try this)

So I think you should first set the RAM you have now (1600mhz that runs @ 1333) to run at 1600MHz with the advertised voltage and timings. Then you can try to push it even further.
I'm not sure if those 2000MHz sticks are worth the money, since the difference is probably so small you won't notice it, and the timings are increased by 1 for every 200MHz, so in reality there is really no difference at all between, say, 1600 MHz at cas 7 or 2000MHz at cas 9. ("cas" being the first one of the timings).

ChiimonzChewy
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i see just as i expected the ones that are priced on top are usually not bang for the buck, unless somebody else goes on top...so probably i'll buy the corsair dominator if i know how to overclock, can you give me a site or forum or whatever that will teach me the complete basic of overclocking, and explains it in detail why and what this do etc etc, like when i see the term timings im like " . . . hmmm uhh :P" so basically to just like you said it is advertised 2000mhz but it means overclockable to 2000mhz stable for sure...so i get it, lol but so in my case it is advertised as 1600mhz so meaning i just tweak it to 1600mhz? or technically i overclock it to that? cause if i overclock it i wont try it now maybe later...or if i just literally need to set it then i'll do it...and in the future asus rampage iii gene you think that will run it @ 2000mhz? btw thanks alot hnkftalnot you really help me alot :D pardon me for my noobness sir, and thanks!

hnkftalnot
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Hey I'm not calling anyone a noob :) We all have to learn the stuff at some time, I'm still learning everyday as well.
Yes, if you push the RAM from 1333 to 1600 you're technically overclocking it, but in this case it's pretty safe since it's meant to run at that speed. And it's indeed a wise idea to first read some about it so you know what you are doing.

I couldn't really find a good beginners guide, but here is something, it's old and long but it covers the basics:
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1804

Here is one specifically for your 1156 platform:
http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/605848-i5-i7-lga-1156-overclocking-guide.html

If it's all too confusing just pick another guide, I was really lost when I first started to read about overclocking but after reading some different guides I finally began to understand it.
It is actually not that hard at all to understand, but all the terms that are used and how all the components work together can be confusing at first. But again, it's not that hard.

Also, read threads about overclocking, about RAM problems, those are very helpful as well. Every question has been asked somewhere and in some cases people can explain it very well. I found that overclock.net is a great forum with lots and lots of information, helpful threads and guides.

When it comes down to it you need the speed, voltage, and maybe timings that are on the sticker on your RAM (or search the website for those numbers), and then find where those settings are in the BIOS. You can have a look into your BIOS now and see if you can find those settings. As long as you exit without saving nothing will change and it will not do any harm. If you see settings you don't know about you can just google it or ask around, because they can have different/confusing names between motherboard brands. It's also a good idea to search for reviews on your motherboard, they sometimes have a chapter about its BIOS.

And your question; I'm not sure if the asus rampage iii gene board will support 2000MHz RAM (but I would be surprised if it didn't). Maybe the Asus website says something about it?

You're very welcome, and good luck with it!

ChiimonzChewy
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thanks so much in probably 1-3months my new computer will be ready, and i'll be glad to give you an update from what i've learn from you thanks again!

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I recommend you also check out http://www.ocforums.com

They have a lot of info regarding overclocking, and the community is very helpful. There at least used to be a few contributors from here that are also contributors on the OC Forums.

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