Gaming PC with $1000 CAD budget

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sica17
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hello guys, lets get started..
Being the newb that I am in the PC world (being a current console gamer), I need help building my very first PC. I only have $1000 CAD to spend. All I really wanted is a PC that is capable of running SC2(the reason im building one) on ultra settings without lag, and also COD games with decent FPS rates. I would really appreciate all the help I can get.

Some more questions:
Dual Core or Quad?
What is the min required RAM for most games?
Any good computer cases?
What is an SSD drive?

If I am asking to much for such a low budget, then I will be willing to wait it out and reach $1500 budget.

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First of all, your budget is perfectly adequate for a mid-range gaming PC. I'm gonna start by answering your questions:
1- A dual core processor is acceptable but a quad core is preferred for the longevity of your computer. It's gonna future-proof your purchase a lot more than a dual core CPU.
2- For gaming I recommend using 4gb of RAM (at least 3). I personally end up using 2.8gb more or less while gaming.
3- A mid-size tower case is the way to go while on a budget; Cooler Master has great cases that would suit your needs: The HAF 922 or the CM 690 II Advanced
4- An SSD is the next generation of computer storage. They will eventually replace hard drives because they are so much faster. Unfortunately they are very expensive and not recommended while on a budget.

I matched up a few components for you, regardless the kind of game you'll be playing on it will run them great.

EDIT1: Oh crap, I've done a whole shopping list for you on Newegg.com and just realized you said CANADIAN dollars! Lucky for you, I'm really bored (and a nice guy :P) so I'm gonna do another one for you then.

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Quad Core Processor 3.2GHZ AM3 8MB Cache 125W Retail Box - $185.90
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=47459&vpn=HDZ955FBGMBOX&manufacture=AMD

Gigabyte GA-890XA-UD3 AMD790X AM3 ATX DDR3 2PCI-EX 2PCI CrossFireX GBLAN SATA3 USB3.0 Motherboard - $149.99
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=51764&vpn=GA-890XA-UD3&manufacture=Gigabyte

G.SKILL F3-10666CL7D-4GBRH Ripjaws PC3-10666 4GB 2X2GB DDR3-1333 CL7-7-7-21 Core i5 1.5V Memory Kit - $99.99
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=42744&vpn=F3-10666CL7D-4GBRH&manufacture=G.Skill&promoid=1008

XFX Radeon HD 5770 XXX 875MHZ 1GB 5.2GHZ GDDR5 2XDVI HDMI Display Port DIRECTX11 PCI-E Video Card - $199.99
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=48511&vpn=HD577AZNDC&manufacture=XFX

Corsair Professional HX650W 650W ATX 12V 52A 24PIN ATX Modular Power Supply Active PFC 120MM Fan - $149.99
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=42532&vpn=CMPSU-650HX&manufacture=Corsair

Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB 7200RPM 32MB Dual Proc SATA 3.5IN Hard Drive OEM 5YR MFR Warranty - $66.91
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=33883&vpn=WD5001AALS&manufacture=Western%20Digital%20WD

LG GH22NS50 Black 22X SATA DVD Writer OEM - $29.99
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=40435&vpn=GH22NS50&manufacture=LG%20Electronics

Coolermaster CM 690 II Advanced ATX Mid Tower Case Black 4X5.25 1X3.5EXT 6X3.5INT *No PSU* - $101.99
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=49226&vpn=RC-692-KKN2&manufacture=COOLERMASTER

TOTAL=$984.75 (might be less if you get all your M&R and special offers)

EDIT2: Btw, I live in Canada too and I know how computer components are so much expensive compared to the U.S. for such an unknown reason (CAD$ almost the same as US$) -.- I linked everything to NCIX because IMO it is the very BEST computer store in Canada. I've never experienced any problem with them, their customer support is great.

So, there it is, if you buy all these parts you'll have a great computer system that's gonna play all the latest games and last for at least 2 years (thereafter you might need to change the graphics card)

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1. Quad-i7 930 is best bang/buck
2. you should get at least 4gb of ram to optimally run win 7
3. Haf 922 is good mid-range. Cheaper are some raidmax and nzxt cases.
4.SSD or solid state drive is basically a giant flash drive. It uses Flash memory chips and a controller to read/write data at rates far superior to a normal hard drive. Unfortunately they are very expensive so normally with your budget you would get a 64gb one for just OS+few games. The $ is worth it though as the SSD significantly speeds up your system.

You should do nicely with $1000-$1200.
I recommend you include these with your build:
1.i7 930
2. Any quality x58 motherboard
3. GTX 460
4. 4gb ddr3 1600
5. OCZ vertex 2 64gb SSD
6.WD 640gb Caviler Black
7. OCZ ModXStream 600W PSU
tell me if you have trouble finding stuff

@University rig-Haf 922-i7 920- ASUS GENE MB- 6gb OCZ ddr3 1600-GTS 250- Acer 23'-ocz 700w psu-Altec expressionist bass speakers-LG dvd multi drive-Rosewill media reader

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undeadkingpr wrote:1. Quad-i7 930 is best bang/buck
2. you should get at least 4gb of ram to optimally run win 7
3. Haf 922 is good mid-range. Cheaper are some raidmax and nzxt cases.
4.SSD or solid state drive is basically a giant flash drive. It uses Flash memory chips and a controller to read/write data at rates far superior to a normal hard drive. Unfortunately they are very expensive so normally with your budget you would get a 64gb one for just OS+few games. The $ is worth it though as the SSD significantly speeds up your system.
You should do nicely with $1000-$1200.
I recommend you include these with your build:
1.i7 930
2. Any quality x58 motherboard
3. GTX 460
4. 4gb ddr3 1600
5. OCZ vertex 2 64gb SSD
6.WD 640gb Caviler Black
7. OCZ ModXStream 600W PSU
tell me if you have trouble finding stuff

Try doing that in CAD dollars.. You're left with NCIX.com, Newegg.ca, Tigerdirect.ca and Canadacomputers.com

i7 930 - $299.99
Cheapest X58 - $189.99
4gb DDR3 - $99.99
GTX 460 - $248.98
OCZ 60gb SSD - $184.95
640gb Caviar Black - $70.64
OCZ 600W - $89.99

Already $1184.53 and the case & ODD are missing..

HAF 922 - $129.99
LG ODD - 29.99

TOTAL = 1344.51 + taxes of 15% in Canada so about $1550 depending on where you live on the territory..

If he wants that, it's fine, he'll have to wait to get $1500+ but I don't think he'll use the whole power of an i7..

Intel = High-end system
AMD = Budget

Everybody knows that. Also, AMD processors are great for gaming and even AMD 6 core processors are great! I'm really tired of fan boys saying that i7 kills all CPUs (which is true) and that other ones suck.. Most people out there won't use the whole power of an i7. Why buying it? I'd rather save my money and put it on a better GPU.

Also, keep in mind that components are more expensive in Canada and that sale taxes are really high.

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Thank you ATX for the list :D . The site is incredible, although I have been looking things up on Tigerdirect. I also have been researching thoroughly on the parts and might go with your list.
Thank you undeadkingpr. Build might be expensive but nevertheless powerful in performance. The GTX 460 seems decent for its price according to the reviews I've read.

So i7 is really not that needed for gaming right now? I've seen many people use it nowadays, but I dont really follow the popular belief. So if an AMD quad processor can do the job, then ill go for it.

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sica17 wrote:Thank you ATX for the list :D . The site is incredible, although I have been looking things up on Tigerdirect. I also have been researching thoroughly on the parts and might go with your list.
Thank you undeadkingpr. Build might be expensive but nevertheless powerful in performance. The GTX 460 seems decent for its price according to the reviews I've read.

So i7 is really not that needed for gaming right now? I've seen many people use it nowadays, but I dont really follow the popular belief. So if an AMD quad processor can do the job, then ill go for it.
no, you don't NEED an i7 for gaming right now. It is by far the most powerful line of processors destroying even AMD's failure of a 6-core but most applications won't utilize all the power. I recommend it because in the future they will use the power thus making your system far more future-proof. If you need to save money you can downgrade to an AM3 motherboard then get an AMD 555 dual core before unlocking it into a quad-core with advanced clock calibration.
460 is best price/performance DX11 card on the market. Rodney even said so in his review.
ATX-I am not an Intel fanboi but right now Intel dominates the mid-high end market with far better processors. Without unlocking cores an i5 would trump a 955 easily for slightly more money on account of a higher quality motherboard. Just look at the market. Amd has shrunken to be far smaller than intel after not managing to produce quality CPU's since Phenom II came out. The six-cores are mediocre performing worse than a 955 in gaming and a few other tasks while pulling ahead in rendering and multi-tasking. Still if you live near a microcenter a 930 is $200 i.e the same price as a 1055t while demolishing both it and the 1090 in EVERY application when overclocked. The only real hope for AMD is that Bulldozer absolutely owns but we will C. Everyone said Fermi was bad until the 460 pherhaps AMD can turn it around. Competition always favors the consumer ^_^

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undeadkingpr wrote:It is by far the most powerful line of processors destroying even AMD's failure of a 6-core but most applications won't utilize all the power.

AMD 6-core processors aren't a failure, stop saying that. It might just not be for you! It is a great compromise for someone on a budget who is rendering and doing multi-threaded tasks (not for gamers YET). 1090T isn't worth the price IMO because its price is close to the i7 which is better (but then again not by a VERY far margin). However the 1055T is a good compromise, especially when overclocked. So it is not a failure, a lot of people over the Internet will tell you the same thing.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net

Yes, when it's not a highly-threaded benchmark the i7 performs better but when all the cores are used the 1090T is very close or performs better. Of course the i7 platform is better but don't say AMD's 6-core are a failure, it's just false..

Are Intel's Core i7 better CPUs? Yes! But bang for the buck AMD CPUs are kickass.

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ATX wrote:undeadkingpr wrote:It is by far the most powerful line of processors destroying even AMD's failure of a 6-core but most applications won't utilize all the power.

AMD 6-core processors aren't a failure, stop saying that. It might just not be for you! It is a great compromise for someone on a budget who is rendering and doing multi-threaded tasks (not for gamers YET). 1090T isn't worth the price IMO because its price is close to the i7 which is better (but then again not by a VERY far margin). However the 1055T is a good compromise, especially when overclocked. So it is not a failure, a lot of people over the Internet will tell you the same thing.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net

Yes, when it's not a highly-threaded benchmark the i7 performs better but when all the cores are used the 1090T is very close or performs better. Of course the i7 platform is better but don't say AMD's 6-core are a failure, it's just false..

Are Intel's Core i7 better CPUs? Yes! But bang for the buck AMD CPUs are kickass.
yes, when you compare an UN-OVERCLOCED i7 930 it looks like a 1055 would be worth it. However, if overclocked you get a cpu which dominates both the 1055 and 1090. The 1055 is ONLY worth it if you don't game and just render but don't render much. If you are a serious user then pay the $80 at newegg, $0 at microcenter to upgrade to a 930. The 930 DOES EVERYTHING WELL-not just one type of thing. The 1055 is a failure because it does not beat a 955 in many tasks but is $50 more. AMD should have given it more l3 cache to it could soundly beat its predecessor.
In summary, the only real time where I would ever get a 1055 would be if I already had an AM3 motherboard and did not game but lightly rendered. See how specific that is?

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I can game on my 1055T as well as on my 955BE.. The GPU matters the most in this situation.

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to be honest undead, if you overclocked anything it would perform better. but i will be reading over these arguments to help me decide whether to go with a 965 or a 1090T.
but the man asked for $1000 and AMD fits the bill nicely, who cares if an i7 is better, the 955 is a perfect match of rediculous speed and lower price range which is exactly what hes looking for.
if it was me, what money i have is what i have and sure an i7 would be great but a 955 is cheaper and a close performer

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ATX wrote:I can game on my 1055T as well as on my 955BE.. The GPU matters the most in this situation.
In x3 terran conflict the x6 gets 10fps lower average and 2-3fps lower in crysis both at 1680x1050. As a side note the i7 930 gets 13fps more in crysis and 8 more in x3.

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undeadkingpr wrote:ATX wrote:I can game on my 1055T as well as on my 955BE.. The GPU matters the most in this situation.
In x3 terran conflict the x6 gets 10fps lower average and 2-3fps lower in crysis both at 1680x1050. As a side note the i7 930 gets 13fps more in crysis and 8 more in x3.

It's an i7 of course it's gonna be better, I'm talking about your 955/1055T comparison..

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This is what i propose to buy.

AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 228$
ASUS M4A87TD/USB3 mobo 110$
Adata Gaming Series 2X2GB 1600 111$
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 460 Fermi 715MHZ 768MB 219$
Silverstone Strider Essential 500W 66$
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 99$
Fractal Design Define R3 109$
Samsung SH-S223C 22X DVD 29$
Coolermaster RR-910-HTX3-GP Hyper TX Series 22$

= ~999$ (for NCIX.com)

And the reasons for all this

- 1055T is more than enough to play game, with very good frame rates. It can easily overclocked to 4GHz

- M4A87TD/USB3 is very good budget mobo, with SATA 6Gbit/s and USB3.0 features

- Memory choice doens't make really differents, in "home" use. 4GB, 1600MHz is good choice. Choice cheapest.

- Pre-Overclocked GTX460 is very good choise. If u want take ati, take HD5770 or HD5850. GTX460 OC is nearly same line as HD5850

- 500W PSU is more than enough. Silverstone deliver + 12V/ 34A in one rail, what is enough for one high end GPU system. My own rig take about 450W (prime95+furmark) in full load, when CPU is overclocked 4GHz.

My friend have i7 980x +HD5870 CF and its take nearly over 500W so why the f*ck people buy, like 700W PSUs?

-Samsung Spinpoin F3 is little bit faster than WD or seasonic models. 1TB is best in size vs. price.

- Factal case is very silent ja well priced. if u like that kind of case.

- Cooler Master Hyper TX3 is not made for extreme overclocking but it is much better than AMD's orginal cooler. Doesnt make too much noice and is better for performance.

Asus Maximus IV Extreme // Intel 2500K@2600K + NH-D14 // Kingston HyperX 8GB 1600 // Asus GeForce GTX580 SLI // Corsair HX850 // Corsair Graphite 600T // and more... *Enthusiast Overclocker & Gamer*

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ATX wrote:undeadkingpr wrote:ATX wrote:I can game on my 1055T as well as on my 955BE.. The GPU matters the most in this situation.
In x3 terran conflict the x6 gets 10fps lower average and 2-3fps lower in crysis both at 1680x1050. As a side note the i7 930 gets 13fps more in crysis and 8 more in x3.

It's an i7 of course it's gonna be better, I'm talking about your 955/1055T comparison..
That is the first part of the post...
The AMD 955 gets 10fps lower in X3 and 2-3 in crysis.

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ATX, i checked ncix.com, they sell prebuilt custom PCs, just wondering if i should just buy a prebuilt one or make one myself.. to be honest I am quite scared of making one myself because problems might arise during the building process.

I just wanted urs and the others opinion on buying a built custom PC or just building one myself, because im not so sure either.

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it is not that hard-3dgameman even made a few videos a while ago

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I think you should build one yourself. I mean if you really don't know anything about computers then yes you can buy a pre-built but you'll save money by building it yourself and have fun :D

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I do know a lot about computers, its just that, as clumsy as i am, i will most definitely get at least one cable plugged in the wrong slot. But anyways, yea.. Im gonna build one. Well i gotta try it sooner or later so why not on my first Gaming PC :D ..

Thank you guys for all the support and help. I appreciate it, as for now Im just gonna compare prices and stuff. So yea.