Choosing a Motherboard (z68/P67)...I don't know anymore...

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I'm so confused on getting a motherboard right now...originally was gonna get a gigabyte z68 ud3h b3 for $130 on newegg but then read a bunch of reviews about issues with overclocking on it because of LLC or something....then was gonna get an asus p67 board...then a gigabyte z68x board...

I'm buying an evga 570SC, i5 2500k, and 4gb gskill ddr3 1600. I'm keeping from my old rig a corsair 750tx pus, wd caviar blue 640gb 7200rpm hdd.

I don't know if I care whether the board is p67 or z68....I'm using a dedicated video card so I thought the on board video everyone is talking about on the z68 would be meaningless but then i heard they work in sync with each other and there's a couple features that are better like quicksync or something. Im so confused and it gets worse the more I read about it.

Im looking for a motherboard that is stable and can OC a 2500k to 4.0ghz-4.2ghz stable. I dont really want to spend more than $180 and I dont want to spend $180 just cause when a $130 board may suit me. I dont really do RAID or anything and I have a sound card I use.

Also, I read in the thread below that when i replace my mobo, ram, gpu, and cpu...I will have to reinstall windows. Is that true? How does that work? Do I just go into bios immediately and change boot order to disc and it'll erase and install the OS again?

Thanks for the help guys....I'm tired..and just cant wrap my head around this anymore...

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What motherboard are you upgrading from? If you are going from Intel to Intel, and don't have a RAID array set up, then you likely won't have to reinstall Windows.

Booting from the Windows CD will not necessarily erase ANYTHING unless you tell it to. If it is the existing OS on the hard disk it will run "over the top" and replace files with the CD version, which is also helpful in resurrecting nuked Windows installs without erasing data.

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Oh good, Im glad I dont have to reformat right away...I am planning to...I have a Windows 7 Home Update Disc 32/64 bit already (on win xp right now). Well, when I boot from cd it asks I think to reformat or erase ..something like that..I've only done it twice.

I'm upgrading from the Asus P45 P5Q-E. I;ve done a lot of research on the p67 and z68 boards...but now I'm lost...I just want best bang for buck right and stable...I was gonna get that gigabyte ud3h b3 for $130 but then I read that it has issues with OC'ing even a little bit cause of LLC or something...

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In truth, if you want to put Windows 7 onto the machine, just do a backup of the system, pop in the new hard disk, and pop Windows 7 on.

Micro$oft chose to not offer an easy upgrade path from XP to 7. However, there are programs, like LapLink PCMover, that can mount an XP backup and do a full transfer of data and programs with a reasonable level of reliability.

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What do you mean by pop in the new hdd and pop windows 7 on? XP has to be on HDD first to use upgrade disc right? I have a WD 7200rpm 640gb right now and Im gonna use that for the new hardware im buying. My plan was to use the new hardware with my current XP OS and current files for a week or two and then research best way to upgrade to windows 7 so it completely erases my XP OS and all the files...I need to find the steps on how to do that still though.

I'm also thinking about just getting this board right now:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131729

Kinda getting tired browsing all the details/specs/OC ability..

I have a question on that mobo...I am planning on ordering ddr3 1600mhz 4gb cas latency at 7 so it has 1.65v ....is that a problem..i read on one of the mobos that it was a problem but forget which one...think it was a gigabyte

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I'll be honest, I'm not the expert on the newer Intel boards except on the server side, so I'll leave that open for the others to talk (argue?) about.

As far as Win 7 Upgrade, you can install it on an unformatted drive, no problem. It will simply ask for your Windows XP key, which will be verified and paired to the Win 7 key when the system registers itself with Microsoft. Easy peasy. You just have to have an XP key that hasn't been paired to another upgrade (Vista or 7) or registry will fail and you'll end up on the phone trying to get Microsoft to release your install.

Good luck!

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Thanks for the info! The XP I'm on right now, I guess we've run out of installs on it or something and I call MS and say my hdd crashed to that I can "activate" it after it installs. Does that matter?

If the above doesn't matter, then I guess from what you said, I can just boot from CD, enter in XP key, and it will erase and install W7. Thanks again for the help.

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Has the XP key been used on an upgrade before? That's the key.

XP (or rather the Windows Genuine Advantage validation tool) freaks out when it sees multiple configs on a single key. It's a nightmare, especially when the key from your machine is stolen and put on other rigs. Yes, I had a machine come to me that first went to Best Buy, and within a day of that first trip the WGA tripped. And Best Buy said, "It's not our fault." Geez. I had to call in and make a fraud report that HP had put the sticker on, it was the original PC, and the other installed needed to be frozen. Hope I killed some idiot's fun.

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Wow, that sucks!

Um, it has been used once to upgrade to Win 7 and that's it. A friend actually gave me the Win7 upgrade disc which can be used 3 times and he upgraded the older office computer.

EDIT: Do you know of a way to keep/copy MS Office so when I do a clean install of W7 I can just put it back on? I don't have the discs anymore.

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Um, you are kind of screwed. Win7 does have 3 install licenses, so that's OK, but if the system installs over that XP key, you may get a fault immediately after registration, or it may take the WGA a bit to lock the machine down, but Micro$oft is all about getting their money! They didn't turn into the largest profit software developer in the world by giving stuff away.

Same goes for MS Office. You can download "Magic Jelly Bean" to pull your key out of the current install so you can make a hard copy, but you will need to find a disc copy to install. Even PCMover won't move Office. It's been encoded in such a way that it JUST DOESN'T WANT TO MOVE.

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Wait, so I get W7 with 3 installs but each of those installs has to be on a completely different copy of XP? WTF!?

So, basically I have to purchase XP again..I'll have to call MS and work through like 5 hours of being on hold...no way I am not going to be able to upgrade my XP...total bulls**t

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Okay, I phrased that wrong. Win7 comes in "family pack" licenses, as well as single licenses. So if your friend gave you a 3-license disc, it's from a "family pack".

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Ya its a family pack....and we have that XP version that we've installed on a few PCs...used same CD key but we've used different activation codes from MS

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Why not just buy Windows 7 complete retail version as its next to nothing these days and you don't have to concern yourself with installing XP+Windows7 Upgrade.

Before you install Windows7 Complete version just back up your essential files first.

Also, you will have problems with your new pc if you just simply connect your old hard drive to your new system as that hard drive with the old OS has the drivers for the old system and will course problems.

the best trouble free option is to back up your files, format hard drive, install windows OS and then enjoy your new machine.

Now regarding motherboards, Z68 is the way to go nowadays, P67 is almost past it, Asrock and Asus are the best boards to get at the moment as Gigabyre seem to be having some problems and their boards are limited due to its lack of ports for the onbaord graphics.

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It's an extra $100 for Windows 7 non-upgrade man...$100 isn't next to nothing for me when I have a version sitting on my desk and it will still do a clean install

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

And Im gonna just go to bios the second i turn on the computer and set it to boot from W7 Upgrade DVD and install.

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wedgie2007 wrote: "Why not just buy Windows 7 complete retail version as its next to nothing these days and you don't have to concern yourself with installing XP+Windows7 Upgrade."

You don't have to have XP installed to install Windows 7 Upgrade. You just need the XP key. I've done this hundreds of times on client machines.

Davis, assuming your XP key is cleared by Microsoft, stick with what you have in Win7. But I'm warning you, it's getting harder and harder to break M$'s rules, and I ALWAYS suggest following them to the letter so your PC doesn't suddenly doesn't get locked up, demanding ACTIVATION THROUGH THE MICROSOFT HOTLINE!

I hate that call... "Nick, my computer is asking me to call Microsoft to activate computers. All of a sudden, on all of the computers."

Me: "How many times did you use the upgrade disc?"

Client: "We used it on all 16 workstations. Why?"

Me: "Call Microsoft, and get out your credit card. And next time, call me before you do something stupid. I'm billing you for this call."

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Me: "Call Microsoft, and get out your credit card. And next time, call me before you do something stupid. I'm billing you for this call."

Hahahaha....oh Microsoft...well, I guess I will find out what happens when my stuff finally gets here...If it does lock up...I'll have to pull out my credit card but hoepfulyl it would be sorta cheap cause it would be the XP Key that would mess it up...not the W7 key.

Thanks for all the help, I really appreciate it.