Upgrade of CPU's

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hmm..

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I've never heard of atek, can't find much about it either so I suspected it's a knockoff. But I thought I read that he's going to get a new PSU first, let's see how that works out.

Oh and make sure the PSU is from a reputable brand and type.

Good point on the extreme settings and multiple graphics, you can't expect the world from a midrange single GPU. And why do you even need vsync?

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atek website :- atekinfovision.com

a duplicate brand cant have a website running :P

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Hm it could just be me but their website isn't even functioning properly, yeah it shows the PSU but that's about it, no specs whatsoever. And they only have one PSU model? (the 600watts?) It looks quite generic as well, if that means anything.. yeah sorry but personally I wouldn't count too much on it. Could be a cultural difference but still, info and reviews are very spare..

I guess you are in India? How is the PSU supply over there, anything from Corsair, Antec, Seasonic perhaps?

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yeah .....iam from new delhi

all brands are available, it's slightly expensive than what its in US/UK

for example if something is of $100 then we get it for 110 or 130.

i never knew that a generic psu could lead to such prob.

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your.highness wrote:Score: 4233 o3Marks
Submitted @ January 27 2011, 10:14 am

App Version: Geeks3D_FurMark_v1.7.2_Build_Apr 16 2010_at_10:36:37

Renderer: ATI Radeon HD 5770
Number of Active GPUs: 1
GPU Clock: 850 MHz
Memory Clock: 1250 MHz
Shader Clock: 0 MHz
Graphics Drivers: Catalyst 10.12 - 8.801-101125a-109805C-ATI 11-25-2010
GPU Temperatures (start/end):26°C / 54°C

Bench Duration: 60 sec.
Resolution: 1280 x 1024
MSAA samples: 0
Window Mode: fullscreen
Options: none

CPU: AMD Athlontm II X4 635 Processor
CPU Speed: 2913 MHz
Operating System: Windows XP 32-bit build 2600 Service Pack 3

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I did a check just to see if you did everything right. I have a Q6600 at 3GHz Quad. Not fullscreen. HD 6850 video card. My CCC settings default, No video card overclocking. Furmark 1.82. gives me only a SCORE:4155 points (60000 ms). So there is nothing wrong with your video card or system.

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so..you mean everything's okay here...

so if i want better performance...i should change my memory and cpu

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That kinda surprises me, I guess those higher scores didn't use any eyecandy and just went for the highest score, one way or another.. anyway good to see some real world results.

Highness, I'd start with a better GPU. A Phenom X4 or X6 and DDR3 will of course provide a faster "ground base" but the GPU does the actual graphical stuff and the eye-candy, and I guess that's what you want the most. CPU/RAM upgrade is in your case a secondary issue I'd say, to squeeze the most out of a high-end GPU and avoid bottlenecks. Still a nice upgrade if you have the funds but not top priority.

I think you want to go high-end on the GPU and sell your current 5770. Crossfireing your 5770 gives a nice boost but then you're still on midrange cards.. besides, 6000 series scale way better in Crossfire so that would be a better buy anyway. From what I understand, the 5770 would compare to the 6850, so skip the 68xx cards and have a look at the 69xx cards or check out Nvidia's GTX 570 or even 580. (I still think that's overkill for your resolution but when you want all the settings to "very high" it's probably needed. - again I'm pretty surprised here).

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what do you say of phenom 2 x4 975/965/970 or phenom 2 x6 1100t/1090t

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It's a mix of all the above to be honest with you your.highness. The phenom 2 x6 1100t is a good start to pushing a nice gaming system. However, you need DDR3, Motherboard, A Good PSU and either another 5770 for Crossfire or a 6900's video card and Windows 7. Even with all of that you might find that some games do not run faster because they might be too old to support the extra CPU cores or can't run Crossfire or they are just badly ported games from Xbox to PC, like GTA4 for example.

I went from a 4870 to a 6850 with my upgrade this year. If I had the money I would have another card to run Crossfire. I can turn the max settings on Battlefield: Bad company 2, but it is hardly what I would call playable frame rates, but it sure looks nice. At least my shadows in games look good with DX11.

So in short what should you buy first as an upgrade? hmmmmmm...

Can you run 3dMark06, I want to see your score.

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i dont have 3dmark06,,,i will have download it

by the way i am planning to upgrade my cpu,mobo and memory first.

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3dmark06 test result

http://3dmark.com/3dm06/15374542

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3dmark06 test result

http://3dmark.com/3dm06/15374542

and pls check why my 800mhz ram is showing 400mhz??

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12653 is a little low.. I was thinking 14K ~ 16K.. hmmmm
Do you have your settings setup for high quality?

As for the ram it might be showing the true speed.. DDR2 is double, like 400 + 400 = 800.

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i have one stick of 2gb!! i patched up gta iv and now its running pretty smooth at high settings!!

not very high...but high settings.....still fps are not stable but now i am not getting anything less than 30fps....at times i get 68fps as well.

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time for me to try liberty city stories as well....my older card(sapphire hd5670 512mb) was able to fetch decent frame rate of 28-30fps easily.....hope it will do better!!(wondering why main gta-iv is not stable)

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GTA IV is badly ported so it's "normal" to have varying frame rates throughout the game. The older GTA games should run a lot smoother.

And even if you have one stick of RAM, DDR doubles the speed: DDR means Double Data Rate, it does two operations every clock cycle so at a clockspeed of 400MHz it runs at 800MHz effectively.

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i see and what about cpu thing..what do you think..... phenom2 x4 965be is better or phenom2 x6 1090t/1100t for gaming????

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strictly for gaming??

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They are both black edition CPUs so the tiny clockspeed difference is not really a valid argument. That being said, the only difference is two extra cores on the 1100T, and it depends on the game if they are used or not. So in some games there's no difference at all, while some games may benefit from a total of six cores. Don't know which games can use six cores though.

Overall, I think the real reason for going sixcore would be heavily multithreaded apps (3d rendering etc.), OR the need to run a lot of stuff in the background while gaming (recorders, servers, etc). I personally don't think that strictly for gaming the two extra cores would be really noticeable, if the game can even use them anyway.

From a total system perspective, as Tivon already mentioned, a sixcore will be a good start for a heavy rig with crossfire or SLI, it would be the best way to make sure you have no bottlenecks and while gaming even background apps can function normally.

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hmm....thanks ...i am satisfied then...i will buy either 1090t or 1100t,,,,then later on think of buying new gpu..

until ati doesnt come up with another series.

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i am sorry one more query..

as you know 1090t is 3.2ghz dont you think it will get divided by 6cores and would perform lesser than 965 which is 3.4ghz(speed divided to 4cores only)

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your.highness wrote:i am sorry one more query..

as you know 1090t is 3.2ghz dont you think it will get divided by 6cores and would perform lesser than 965 which is 3.4ghz(speed divided to 4cores only)

It's 6 cores running at 3.2GHz.

3.2GHz+3.2GHz+3.2GHz+3.2GHz+3.2GHz+3.2GHz

3.4ghz+3.4ghz+3.4ghz+3.4ghz

Overall the 1090t has more power, but like we have already said, some applications and games can't use the extra cores efficiently. So in short, if they can't use the cores then they will benefit from the faster Hertz speed.

Personally I think two 5770 in crossfire would be the bottleneck of a 1090t. If you want your games to go from just high settings to very high you need a second video card or a much faster one.

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hmmm...now i am clear about each and every thing...each core running at 3.1ghz sounds like ps3 lol.

i'd gladly buy 1090t, had plans to buy 1100t but it makes no sense paying $30-40 more for just 100mhz frequency.....so performance and price wise i find 1090t much much better somewhat like intel's i7 cpu's(according to reviews)....so i should go with that ...say what?

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You got it right. Not worth the extra money. You can overclock the 1090T 100Mhz+ easy and use the money saved on other parts.

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hmmm....and what do you say of gpu....should i wait for AMD's new launch or should i go for 5970??

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Okay this weekend before my birthday i am going to buy phenom2 x6 1090t but wanted to make sure is it going to support, Gigabyte-M68M-S2P MOBO???

cuz i'll change that next month along with ddr-3 ram.

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tell any mobo which supports upto-8gb ddr-3 ram and with ati chipset or without any chipset.
(dont want any mobo with nvidia chipset)for hexcore amd cpu---either 1090t or 1100t
thanks!!

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The guy that posted a picture in your other thread has a mobo that will work great for you, it's an Asus with an AMD 880G chipset, only downside is that 880G doesn't support Crossfire and AMD OverDrive (a software overclocking utility, but BIOS overclocking is the way to go anyway, and with the unlocked multiplier on your Black Edition it should be a breeze if you want to try it out.)

But choosing a motherboard is a whole other topic, you need to look for the kind of chipset you want and then choose a motherboard manufacturer to go with. In my opinion the manufacturer doesn't really matter since the AMD chipset on them will be the same anyway, but I'd avoid any unknown mobo brands if they don't have a good return- or warranty policy.

About the chipset, you'd best go with AMD's 800 series since that's the latest before the new architecture will come out and will surely support your CPU. Choose wisely though, they can differ in number of expansion slots, and also 870 and 880G both have no Crossfire support, whereas 890GX and 890FX do. As far as I know any of them will support 8 GB of RAM so that's not an issue. If you don't care for Crossfire then any of those chipsets will work fine.