Upgrade of CPU's

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Hi thanks for helping me always.

This time i am going to change my cpu from athlon 2 x4 635(2.9ghz) to phenom 2 x4 965(be)

i just upgraded my gpu to sapphire radeon 5770 1gb.

so my question is how much difference i would see in gaming if i go for this cpu??

and if i make it ddr-3 what advantages are there..

i want best out of it.

1)slight
2)moderate
3)good
4)v.good
5) amazing difference.

current specs:-
athlon 2 x4 635(2.9ghz not overclocked)
2gb 800mhz kingston ram(ddr-2)
sapphire ati radeon 5770 1gb
catalyst 10.12 version
os:- xp sp3 and windows 7
display:-samsung sync master(17") crt(maximum resolution 1280x1024)
psu:- atek 600watts

AMD ATHLON-2 X4 635 2.9GHZ/2GB DDR-2 800MHZ RAM
SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 5770/XP SP3 & WINDOWS 7
M683-S2P/Still AMD is a king....

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It's not as huge a difference as you'd think. Going from Quad to a Quad, both with high GHz speeds, more Cache on the Phenom, but Games probably would only run 10% faster at best is my best guess. When you put in the 5770, run some games and see if it maxes out the CPU. Maybe you should look at a Phenom X6?

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Here check out these charts..

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-2010/Gaming-Left-4-Dead-2,Marque_fbrandx32,2433.html

In some games like L4D, you can go from 119FPS medium settings to 160FPS from this CPU upgrade to the Phenom. I can't tell how much of a deference it will make with a 5770. Your operating system will probably feel about the same speed. Some apps will run the same or a little faster than before. Anyways, I'm done for now. :)

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i checked the benchmark at "anandtech" currently phenom-2 965be is better for gaming with comparison of hexacore...

not sure...

and felt phenom-2 x4 965be wins with big margin, if we compare it with athlon 2 x4 635

but i am little suspicious if it really can......

check yourself.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/122?vs=102

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reason for upgrade is because i am not that happy with card...cuz games which are released in past 6months....

are not that smooth...even at 1280x1024 resolution..

is it because i am using ddr-2 memory and that too only 2 gb...and resolution is too low..or because i have 500gb data in my pc(820gb hd-2disk)

or this card performs less in xp than vista or windows 7.(i want highest possible settings on)

or my processor is bottlenecking its performance.

why why why////???

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i want ps3 or xbox 360 like smoothness in my pc...while playing any game(even recently launched games.)

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It should help to get more memory if you only have 2GB. Don't let Xbox fool you they don't use AA to hide jagged lines. Do you have any benchmarks of your current hardware?

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oh really???

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do you want me to give you the benchmark??

should i give you uniengine's benchmark details?

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If you lower some settings a bit a 5770 should play any game smooth on 1280x1024, especially AA as been said, and look for some other effects that tax the graphics card. Large textures shouldn't be a problem I guess with 1 GB of video memory.

1 or 2 more GB of RAM would perhaps help as well.

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my configuration is pretty decent according to todays system requirements:-

sytem specs:-

CPU:-Athlon 2 x4 2.9ghz
gpu:-sapphire ati radeon 5770 1gb ddr5
motherboard:-Gigabyte s-series m68m-s2p
psu:- atek 600watts
ram:- 2gb 800mhz ddr-2
speakers:- iball raga 2.1channels
cabinet:- adcom

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Score: 1063 points

Submitted by bharat thapa on January 27 2011, 9:13 am

App Version: Geeks3D_FurMark_v1.8.2_Build_Apr 16 2010_at_10:36:37

Main graphics card: ATI Radeon HD 5770
Number of Active GPUs: 1
GPU Clock: 850 MHz
Memory Clock: 1250 MHz
Shader Clock: 0 MHz
Graphics Drivers: Catalyst 10.12 - 8.801-101125a-109805C-ATI 11-25-2010
GPU Temperatures (start/end):34°C / 48°C

Bench Duration: 60 ms
Resolution: 1280 x 1024
MSAA samples: 8
Window Mode: fullscreen

CPU: AMD Athlontm II X4 635 Processor
CPU Speed: 2913 MHz
Operating System: Windows XP 32-bit build 2600 Service Pack 3

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No aa test

Score: 3018 points

Submitted by bharat thapa on January 27 2011, 9:18 am

App Version: Geeks3D_FurMark_v1.8.2_Build_Apr 16 2010_at_10:36:37

Main graphics card: ATI Radeon HD 5770
Number of Active GPUs: 1
GPU Clock: 850 MHz
Memory Clock: 1250 MHz
Shader Clock: 0 MHz
Graphics Drivers: Catalyst 10.12 - 8.801-101125a-109805C-ATI 11-25-2010
GPU Temperatures (start/end):26°C / 52°C

Bench Duration: 60 ms
Resolution: 1280 x 1024
MSAA samples: 0
Window Mode: fullscreen

CPU: AMD Athlontm II X4 635 Processor
CPU Speed: 2913 MHz
Operating System: Windows XP 32-bit build 2600 Service Pack 3

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Submitted @ January 27 2011, 10:14 am

App Version: Geeks3D_FurMark_v1.7.2_Build_Apr 16 2010_at_10:36:37

Renderer: ATI Radeon HD 5770
Number of Active GPUs: 1
GPU Clock: 850 MHz
Memory Clock: 1250 MHz
Shader Clock: 0 MHz
Graphics Drivers: Catalyst 10.12 - 8.801-101125a-109805C-ATI 11-25-2010
GPU Temperatures (start/end):26°C / 54°C

Bench Duration: 60 sec.
Resolution: 1280 x 1024
MSAA samples: 0
Window Mode: fullscreen
Options: none

CPU: AMD Athlontm II X4 635 Processor
CPU Speed: 2913 MHz
Operating System: Windows XP 32-bit build 2600 Service Pack 3

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Hm.. Yours seems really low for the specs. Compared to this one: http://www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/score.php?id=1652352ee75bf9c0d09f5513b9dda0bc
22567 o3Marks.

Seems to me something is wrong with your system, maybe a driver conflict or a bad PSU. The difference between your system and the one I linked above are (possibly more) DDR3, DX11 and the higher clocked Phenom II, but would that explain an 18000 point difference??

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I agree hnkftalnot that something is not right.. I'm still trying to gather more parts of the puzzle. Hmmm..

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How many cores does windows see your.highness?

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Download GPU-Z and detect the PCI-E link speed.

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I have a local brand PSU Atek600...perhaps it could be one of the reason!!!
and yes i am using ddr-2ram(800mhz)...iam thinking of changing my mobo as well so i can use ddr-3memory.

so what do you say....even these psu can make our system perform low???

Here's the GPU-Z Report:-

Link:- http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/xxvc/

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that benchmark is with PHENOM-2 x4 965BE 3.4ghz

mine is athlon-2 x4 635 2.9ghz

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I know it sounds strange but I have seen cases where the PSU was holding the GPU back. The card didn't artifact but just didn't perform optimally, while with a better PSU it did perform normally.

Watch out with cheap PSUs, some of them are low specced boxes with a much higher label on it. Eg. a 700Watts PSU with hardware in it that can barely do 450Watts.

And I know what CPU you have, I mentioned it with the differences I posted above.

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hmm...so you are recommending me phenom-2 965be

i was thinking of phenom-2 hexcore 1055t as well..what do you say??

but first let me try with some branded psu's as well
and afterwards...i'll change my cpu and switch to ddr-3 configuration.

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In windows do you see 4 cores? Device Manager or Task Manager

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if you're talking about cpu..then yes....but there is absence of l3cache.

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Hmmm.. still thinking of things to test.

In AMD's Catalyst control center, under the 3d settings, slide everything to performance and run those benchmarks again.

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isn't it going to screw my graphics and details??

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The details might go down some if you slide everything down. The most noticeable is when the mipmap setting are too far down, but high is not needed. I also have no AA, Catalyst AI is not standard. So try sliding to performance, then custom adjust the Mipmap Detail Level to Performance, not High Performance. This is just to test and see if your image quality settings are set to high. It's hard to compare benchmarks when people have completely different visual settings. What happens is the benchmarks say your scores are low and some other guys are faster, when in fact you have all the eyecandy turned on and the other guy's game play looks screwed.

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on that i agree with you..

i think maybe i should change my card again..

is 6850 better than 5770?? if yes than how much better???

or should i go with 5870??

how much difference is there in between 5870 and 6850???

6850 is pretty cheap here....almost $200.

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by the way let me tell you...it worked.....changed to high performance.....it had super quality mode on...

now i am getting decent frames and good graphics...

but still i am not that happy with this card..

a ddr-3 switch and processor change might help..

i want to get atleast 50-60fps every game...

which iam getting..but with anti-aliasing full, anistrophic full and v-sync on.

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hnkftalnot wrote:I know it sounds strange but I have seen cases where the PSU was holding the GPU back. The card didn't artifact but just didn't perform optimally, while with a better PSU it did perform normally.

Watch out with cheap PSUs, some of them are low specced boxes with a much higher label on it. Eg. a 700Watts PSU with hardware in it that can barely do 450Watts.

And I know what CPU you have, I mentioned it with the differences I posted above.

I just noticed that he has a atek 600watts. That is a crappy PSU. Can you borrow one that is better to test with?

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your.highness wrote:by the way let me tell you...it worked.....changed to high performance.....it had super quality mode on...

now i am getting decent frames and good graphics...

but still i am not that happy with this card..

a ddr-3 switch and processor change might help..

i want to get atleast 50-60fps every game...

which iam getting..but with anti-aliasing full, anistrophic full and v-sync on.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2010-gaming-graphics-charts-high-quality/Battlefield-Bad-Company-2,2466.html

Looks like most of these system with max image quality are using Crossfire, SLI or a X2 card setup. I don't see any 6000 cards in these charts.